AmericanDream
Thank you Elon!
You would think the Kraken would want to add some offense with Milano..
Speculation: 2022 Offseason Roster Discussion
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Kevin Musto
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Agreed, but when you're not a hot commodity on the market, anywhere starts to look appealing
Schwartz Gourde Eberle
Burakovsky Beniers Bjorkstrand
McCann Wennberg Donato/Donskoi/Wright?
Really not much space for Milano especially if they keep Wright up
DisgruntledHawkFan
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Kane
Toews
Domi
Athanasiou
JJohnson
Khaira
Stalock
Robinson
are all trade assets at this point
Toews
Domi
Athanasiou
JJohnson
Khaira
Stalock
Robinson
are all trade assets at this point
Plus Domi.and AA, who even are the bodies left to play then?
Kevin Musto
Hard for Bedard
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Slavin, Hardman, and Guttman are waiver exempt.
And you can call up Robinson, Sikura, Seney, and Philip if you're not considered with them getting claimed.
EddieTheEagle
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Did you look at that roster? I might even have a shot. Reichel will be fine. Proper development path? Debatable. But to get in the door, he is there.
I still cant believe they traded Debrincat. You draft and develop hoping you get a Debrincat.
First two are if they agree to be moved.
The next three are trade assets:
The last three aren’t worth anything but roster filler.
BHawk21
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I am more disappointed in the return they got then that they necessarily moved on. The problem was that our one time cap specialist (Stunley Blowman) structured the contract so that D-Cat is paid 9 million this season which is what you have to qualify him for next year. If Cat was willing to sign at 8 @ 8 this Summer....then sure you keep him. If he wants 9 or even more to agree to a long term deal, then I am not sure in a cap world you have much of a chance in building a cup contender where Jones and Cat are taking up 20-25% of your cap.
Kaners Bald Spot
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AmericanDream
Thank you Elon!
So you would keep Cat for 8 years at $8 mil but $9mil is breaking the bank?? Wat??
Cat and Jones won't eat up 25% of the cap either. This team is going to need 3 more Cat type contracts to hit the damn cap floor next 2-3 years.
Yeah, a million here and a million there does break the bank. That sums up the ENTIRE reign of one Stunley Blowman. EVERY contract was 500K-I million more then it should/could have been other then Hjalmarsson and few if any other exceptions. Had the cap expert Stunley convinced his superstars to take twinzee nice even 10 millionz a year deals instead of giving them each the Stunley 500K tip, that extra 1 million a year in cap space might have been one less piece getting jettisoned in the cap purge trades every Summer for a decade. The Bickell deal is another example of Stunley magic where the day that deal was announced, most groaned. Imagine Stunley actually holding the line on rational for EITHER term or rate and giving Bickell 3 years @ 4 or 4 years @ 3 and not having to give away Teuvo to get rid of that last year of the 4@4 Stunley special?
You do realize Jones alone accounts for 11.5% of the cap and Cat at even 9 puts those 2 right in the middle of the 20-25% range that I personally would not be interested in? The question with Cat at 9 (or even more which was my orginal point) was not COULD the Hawks, but rather SHOULD the Hawks.
For me, instead of tying up 9 million a year in a Cat hoping he is a 40 goal scorer (that also actually translates to playoff goal scoring where the limited sample size of Cat in the playoffs is hardly a sample size that should convince anyone), I would prefer tying up the 9 in a couple guys you expect to be 25-30 goal scorers. Although I like Cat, I do not see him as the kind of guy you build a Cup contender where he is one of those 3 or 4 top guys eating 30-40% of your cap.
EbonyRaptor
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Easy solution - after trading Kane at the TDL - bring him back and give him a one year $15M contract. It would go a long way to reaching the cap floor and reward Kane for all the years of service.
RememberTheRoar
“I’m not as worried about the 5-on-5 scoring.”
Davidson is trying to get three consecutive players who are better than DeBrincat through the draft, starting with Bedard.
If it works, Hawks are dominant for a decade. If not, hawks are no worse off than keeping a guy who scores 40 on a lottery team.
I think we will be massive sellers for this year and next and then start buying. we still wont be a contender but we will be moving up from rock bottom. I will say my biggest surprise is we have not taken on more bad contracts for assets. I guess we set a price and no one got there. we could also maybe do it closer to the TDL to help teams make a trade. how many teams still need to move salary out to be cap compliant to start the season. I know there is off season LTIR and in season as well as you can start the year with 20 players and not 22.
EddieTheEagle
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I think we sign free agents on one-years and sell them for a couple of seasons at least. I don't think they will make a big splash in UFA for quality talent unless there is a massive fish to be had (ala Matthews, Aho, etc.).
You need to be quite bad and collect 3 or more top 10 picks to have a serious shot at it these days. Or be masterful at identifying high-quality talent that is underperforming and then bring them into a system where they can flourish, much like St. Louis did on their run with ROR, Bozak, Schenn.
It’s gonna be tough...
To me the DeBrincat trade really hurts, if Kane ends up being dealt we have no super star forwards left...no first liners...Toews included...I think if Seth Jones is kept(50-50) the Hawks lone star will be the whipping boy because of that huge contract...
So with that said, will Davidson let this roster compete this year? What if they do better than expected? We need one of those top three picks this year for sure by players have pride, I see this team losing(obviously) more than winning but I think regardless of their standing players will be moved at the deadline...if by some chance we’re in playoff contention at the deadline, the Hawks will still be sellers...and that will be tough to swallow...no way do you lose DeBrincat, Dach, Strome and Kubalik and expect Athanasiou, Domi, Blackwell, Robinson and Sikura...man the Hawks look like an expansion team now
I have hope for the future now, more so then when Bowman was at the helm tho, adding three first rounders in a draft year when we had zero to begin with was awesome Kevin Korchinski, Frank Nazar and Sam Rinzel should not be Hawks prospects, but they are! Paul Ludwinski should have been our first pick this year so as I see it we added three more top end prospects...
Fleury got us Ryan Greene
Hagel should get us two more NHLers to add with Raddysh and Katchouk
Competition should be great at camp...
Reichel, Hardman, Entwistle, Slavin, Sikura, RJohnson, Kurashev, Katchouk and Robinson fighting for four spots
To me the DeBrincat trade really hurts, if Kane ends up being dealt we have no super star forwards left...no first liners...Toews included...I think if Seth Jones is kept(50-50) the Hawks lone star will be the whipping boy because of that huge contract...
So with that said, will Davidson let this roster compete this year? What if they do better than expected? We need one of those top three picks this year for sure by players have pride, I see this team losing(obviously) more than winning but I think regardless of their standing players will be moved at the deadline...if by some chance we’re in playoff contention at the deadline, the Hawks will still be sellers...and that will be tough to swallow...no way do you lose DeBrincat, Dach, Strome and Kubalik and expect Athanasiou, Domi, Blackwell, Robinson and Sikura...man the Hawks look like an expansion team now
I have hope for the future now, more so then when Bowman was at the helm tho, adding three first rounders in a draft year when we had zero to begin with was awesome Kevin Korchinski, Frank Nazar and Sam Rinzel should not be Hawks prospects, but they are! Paul Ludwinski should have been our first pick this year so as I see it we added three more top end prospects...
Fleury got us Ryan Greene
Hagel should get us two more NHLers to add with Raddysh and Katchouk
Competition should be great at camp...
Reichel, Hardman, Entwistle, Slavin, Sikura, RJohnson, Kurashev, Katchouk and Robinson fighting for four spots
With this defense, goaltending, no Debrincat, no Dach, Kane almost certain to be traded, I’m not at all worried about Chicago being better than expected.
I think this year we will trade kane, teows AA and Domi, then next year we will trade tyler johnson and colin and lafferty, and 1 of the murph and mcabb along with signing a few more 1 year deals and taking on some bad cap for my picks and young prosepects. I just think after 23-24 season we might start signing guys to longer contracts. But they would have to be young UFA's. 25-27 type
EddieTheEagle
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I think that will happen but a bit more down the line, barring any major UFAs. If they're smart, they'll add a high-end UFA when the rest of the pieces are in place, similar to how we added Campbell and Hossa in 08 & 09. This was after Kane, Toews, Seabs, Barker (kill me), etc. were already drafted.
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