Speculation: 2021 Offseason Trade/Free Agency Thread - Episode IV : A New Hope

[The Midnight Burrito]

Interesting. Rakell, Manson, and Lindholm are UFA's that can finally cash in on a big contract. Ducks signal they are willing to spend big by acquiring Eichel. Why wouldn't Rakell, Manson, and Lindholm want a piece of that? They sure aren't going to take a hometown discount to stay on a last place team in Anaheim. If the Ducks aren't willing to pay them for cap reasons they'll just leave. How do you see it?

Eichel isn't a comparable for any of them and having a player on the roster taking up $10M from a limited pool of money isn't a good argument for asking for even more money. It lends weight to the team's side of the negotiation, that having Eichel means that there is less to go around AND that the team is willing to spend to improve, so perhaps the grass isn't as green elsewhere. So the Ducks signing Eichel isn't a good reason for these players to ask for money, quite the opposite. However, it could make these players more likely to leave as the team might be less willing to overspend to keep them around.

 

[tomd]

Not everything is about Eichel. Whether we have him, or not, I am sure that the UFA's will want to get their market value or they will look elsewhere. There is zero chance that if we don't have eichel we could go to them and say "look, we are being cheap, so cheap we wouldn't trade for eichel cuz $$$$. So, now take our super below market contract cuz we are poor."

The only consideration I could see the UFA's having, as it pertains to Eichel, is that if we have him we are closer to competing. They may be willing to give a slight discount if they feel this team is closer to being competitive.

I'm saying if those players are getting paid that money then we will have to eventually as well. Let them walk and then what? Replace them either with worse players or equal talent at the dollar amount being supported by the market.

Eichel isn't a comparable for any of them and having a player on the roster taking up $10M from a limited pool of money isn't a good argument for asking for even more money. It lends weight to the team's side of the negotiation, that having Eichel means that there is less to go around AND that the team is willing to spend to improve, so perhaps the grass isn't as green elsewhere. So the Ducks signing Eichel isn't a good reason for these players to ask for money, quite the opposite. However, it could make these players more likely to leave as the team might be less willing to overspend to keep them around.

Always the same three. Oh well, you guys are going to be shocked I suppose when Rakell is traded.

 

[Static]

Always the same three. Oh well, you guys are going to be shocked I suppose when Rakell is traded.

Nothing with rakell would be shocking. Letting Lindholm walk or trading him would be shocking.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

Always the same three. Oh well, you guys are going to be shocked I suppose when Rakell is traded.

This is just brazen idiocy. I literally said signing Eichel makes Rakell more likely to leave. Jesus, the one time I try to take you seriously...

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

Jordan Kyrou just signed for 2 years @ 2.8M AAV. A very solid comparable for Comtois

I hope they don't go the bridge route with him, much rather get a Rakell-esque deal signed.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

Acquiring a $10 million player will certainly benefit the negotiating power of Rakell, Manson, and Lindholm. If the team can afford Eichel then....

Oh so this is the new angle now. Might be the worst one yet!

 

[Static]

I hope they don't go the bridge route with him, much rather get a Rakell-esque deal signed.

Comtois would be smart not to go long though. Bob will hammer him if he does.

 

[tomd]

This is just brazen idiocy. I literally said signing Eichel makes Rakell more likely to leave. Jesus, the one time I try to take you seriously...

Actually you completely contradicted yourself in two consecutive posts. That's quite an accomplishment...even for you.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

Comtois would be smart not to go long though. Bob will hammer him if he does.

Probably but I could never blame a guy for getting that kind of security. Seems like players typically want it and my guess is that's what's gonna happen with at least him.

 

[la patineuse]

The Ducks are frozen in amber

Well, GMBM is an NHL dinosaur, so that's about right.

 

[JabbaJabba]

And that's fine, we just need more talented players.

He would fit Duckss playstyle at least. Wouldn't mind him if his price isn't too high. Columbus would want future pieces in return and I am not sure if Anaheim should give theirs away. The idea of Domi, McTavish and Comtois in top 6 is intriguing nonetheless.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

Actually you completely contradicted yourself in two consecutive posts. That's quite an accomplishment...even for you.

You don't even understand your own arguments, let alone mine. I know why - because you have a bizarre need to cast anything Eichel related into a negative for the team so you can prevent a trade through sheer tyranny of will. Your posts should be accompanied by calliope music.

 

[Vipers31]

You don't even understand your own arguments, let alone mine. I know why - because you have a bizarre need to cast anything Eichel related into a negative for the team so you can prevent a trade through sheer tyranny of will. Your posts should be accompanied by calliope music.

Seriously. It just reeks of a bored habit of attempting to play the devil's most disbarred advocate. Terrible way to handle the offseason's boredom.

 

[bsu]

I have a feeling we are going to end up with domi, strome, debrusk for rakell etc.

 

[ohcomeonref]

Acquiring a $10 million player will certainly benefit the negotiating power of Rakell, Manson, and Lindholm. If the team can afford Eichel then....

If the team is paying Eichel that means he's actively playing hockey and not on LTIR. A healthy, playing Eichel would have far more impact to this team than Manson and/or Rakell. Trading Manson and Rakell for picks and using the savings for a healthy Eichel and Lindholm would be a massive win.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

So you don't think the Ducks have a maximum price they are willing to pay each player? Didn't we just see a tweet the other day indicating that the Ducks might be shopping Rakell because his asking price is too high?

Didn't we see tweets that Getz was going to another team? Instead, we paid a bit more than expected at $4.5 mil. Why? Because he's still that talented to let go. Similarly, that's the same category for Lindholm, Manson, and Rakell. TBF, Bob likes overpaying for aging veterans... unfortunately.

 

[Duck Off]

I'm just stunned we haven't done anything so far. I didn't expect much, but i expected something (beyond re-signing Getzlaf)

 

[Static]

I'm just stunned we haven't done anything so far. I didn't expect much, but i expected something (beyond re-signing Getzlaf)

I keep thinking the offseason just started but we are really only like six weeks away from things ramping up for next season.

I have maintained I'd be shocked if nothing happens, but things would have to start happening pretty quickly here.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Eichel isn't a comparable for any of them and having a player on the roster taking up $10M from a limited pool of money isn't a good argument for asking for even more money. It lends weight to the team's side of the negotiation, that having Eichel means that there is less to go around AND that the team is willing to spend to improve, so perhaps the grass isn't as green elsewhere. So the Ducks signing Eichel isn't a good reason for these players to ask for money, quite the opposite. However, it could make these players more likely to leave as the team might be less willing to overspend to keep them around.

Counterpoint is that “loyalty” should first be to the guys who have been there for the team long term and taken team friendly deals. Bringing in a mercenary didn’t do the Toronto salary structure any favors. I think Lindholm has a legitimate case to want to be taken care of, and Rakell will want to get paid (less of a case than lindholm, but will probably expect at least Henrique money. Having them leave and having Eichel in return is at best a lateral move.

Granted, I’ve wanted to trade Rakell for going on 3 years now. But that doesn’t mean he won’t expect $$

 

[Static]

Counterpoint is that “loyalty” should first be to the guys who have been there for the team long term and taken team friendly deals. Bringing in a mercenary didn’t do the Toronto salary structure any favors. I think Lindholm has a legitimate case to want to be taken care of, and Rakell will want to get paid (less of a case than lindholm, but will probably expect at least Henrique money. Having them leave and having Eichel in return is at best a lateral move.

Granted, I’ve wanted to trade Rakell for going on 3 years now. But that doesn’t mean he won’t expect $$

As two of the vets of a team that has completely crashed and burned I think it would be odd if they felt that way. Especially since rakell has regressed considerably and Lindholm can't stay on the ice.

I wouldn't begrudge any player for trying to get theirs, but I would think it was strange if they felt they were obligated to substantial raises. It certainly wouldn't be because of performance.

 

[Bergey37]

I'm just stunned we haven't done anything so far. I didn't expect much, but i expected something (beyond re-signing Getzlaf)

Improvement for the team isn't going to come from accumulating futures. Those were the trades that got dome by ED and entry draft. Now comes the period where the cap compliance trades get done - roster players who have to be moved, and this is where I believe BM is focused. There is still time.

 

[Duck Off]

Improvement for the team isn't going to come from accumulating futures. Those were the trades that got dome by ED and entry draft. Now comes the period where the cap compliance trades get done - roster players who have to be moved, and this is where I believe BM is focused. There is still time.

I agree. I just expected a few non/ AHL moves by now

 

[nbducksfan19]

Always the same three. Oh well, you guys are going to be shocked I suppose when Rakell is traded.

As opposed to you, who is largely alone in your ridiculous posts.

Where did I say anything about not thinking Rakell could/would be traded? All I was said was that Eichel being traded for would have no affect on our upcoming UFA's contract demands after you alluded to somehow us trading for Eichel would give them ammo to demand more money.

 

[Ducks DVM]

As two of the vets of a team that has completely crashed and burned I think it would be odd if they felt that way. Especially since rakell has regressed considerably and Lindholm can't stay on the ice.

I wouldn't begrudge any player for trying to get theirs, but I would think it was strange if they felt they were obligated to substantial raises. It certainly wouldn't be because of performance.

Lindholm is a legit top pairing guy, making not legit top pairing money. Him wanting 8-9 isn’t an unreasonable ask. Rakell, with all his warts, is grossly underpaid, has been 4th, 1st, 2nd, and 2nd in points the last four years, and has a reasonable case to be paid at least what Henrique makes.

 

[Deuce22]

Lindholm is a legit top pairing guy, making not legit top pairing money. Him wanting 8-9 isn’t an unreasonable ask. Rakell, with all his warts, is grossly underpaid, has been 4th, 1st, 2nd, and 2nd in points the last four years, and has a reasonable case to be paid at least what Henrique makes.

Based on what Murray has given to Henrique, Silf, and Fowler why wouldn't they think that?