Speculation: 2021 Offseason Roster Discussion

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Duckesh

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Ah, yes. The famous Buffalo Sabres 2014/15 model where they tanked for McDavid. Guaranteed to bring success

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That's a reference to exactly 1 time something happened. So let's acknowledge that and not set your one random example as the standard or the predictor of all future outcomes under the same circumstances. Literally your example if one instance is not a fundamental universal law just because you have 1 example of a consequence to an action some other team took in a different draft in a different year, an example chosen from literally decades of draft history and hundreds and hundreds if first round picks.

With that said, the general trend is... more picks and higher picks is better players with higher success rates.

So therefore, they havent been competetive. On paper their lack of competetive is not a suprise, its reasonably expected.

So retaining valuable assets to remain competetive isnt exactly a thing.

Sign some short term vets, hire a babysitter, deal away value assets for more picks. And do that 3 years ago when this team was on its steep decline.

Or be surprised by the Duck decline and not earn your paycheck. Keep playing music on the deck of titanic when there are a myriad of signs of the future and options to take.

BM is always half trying to play the violin and half scuffle toward a life raft.
 

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That's a reference to exactly 1 time something happened. So let's acknowledge that and not set your one random example as the standard or the predictor of all future outcomes under the same circumstances. Literally your example if one instance is not a fundamental universal law just because you have 1 example of a consequence to an action some other team took in a different draft in a different year, an example chosen from literally decades of draft history and hundreds and hundreds if first round picks.

With that said, the general trend is... more picks and higher picks is better players with higher success rates.

So therefore, they havent been competetive. On paper their lack of competetive is not a suprise, its reasonably expected.

So retaining valuable assets to remain competetive isnt exactly a thing.

Sign some short term vets, hire a babysitter, deal away value assets for more picks. And do that 3 years ago when this team was on its steep decline.

Or be surprised by the Duck decline and not earn your paycheck. Keep playing music on the deck of titanic when there are a myriad of signs of the future and options to take.

BM is always half trying to play the violin and half scuffle toward a life raft.
You could argue that Buffalo, Toronto, and Edmonton all have done this and all are in similar boats. Of not really being competitive in what 10 years? Those value assets are more likely to return Steels and Jones then they Are to get us Kucherov or Pasternak.
 
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This is season is the time to finish dead last for #1 because they can only drop 2 spots down to #3 and this years 1/2/3 picks are absolutely incredible.
Happy if we get #3 Savoie, Very happy if we get Lambert, Extremely happy if we get Wright.

In 2023 dead last means you can drop to #3 and miss out on both Bedard & Michkov. There isn't a Savoie at #3 in 2023.

Is Savoie better than Powers/Jack Hughes ? That is what i wonder.

In 2023, there's also centers Adam Fantilli and Brayden Yager. Fantilli was the 4th best scorer in the playoffs for Chicago Steel with 9 points (8g + 1a) behind 2021 13th overall LW Coronato (9g + 4), 202 4th rd LW Ferrell (2g + 8a), and 2021 24th overall LW Samoskevich (1g + 9a). Yager tied for 2nd in scoring for the Moose Jaw Warriors with 8g + 10a.

There's some serious talent between 2022 and 2023 drafts. Of course, 2021 had Aatu Raty pegged as #1 overall when he was 16 years old too, but 2021 was a weak draft class for high-end, elite talents to begin with. But these are some of the names we know today and there could be some other talents that do start to make their improvement jumps between now and their draft dates.
 
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The Ducks have picked in the top-10 three drafts in a row and made two additional first-round picks that they picked up by dumping veteran players. Their most significant NHL acquisition in that period is probably Shattenkirk.

On last year's team, 11 players 24 or under played at least a dozen games while only 3 players older than 32 did.

There was just a projection model yesterday that said they look to be the worst team in the league in the upcoming season, and I can't argue that.

The idea that they haven't "picked a direction" or are in any way in limbo between rebuilding and competing just because they haven't traded literally everyone over 25 is just silly.
 

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Sign some short term vets, hire a babysitter, deal away value assets for more picks. And do that 3 years ago when this team was on its steep decline.

Three years ago on this date, the Ducks were coming off a 100-point season and two seasons removed from a conference final appearance. They had a franchise C in Getzlaf, a 24-year-old Rakell nearly put up a PPG, Kase looked ready to be a breakout star, Lindholm was a 24-year-old No. 1 D, and Gibson was 24 years old and in the conversation for best goalie in the world (all ages are their season ages for 2017-2018, not looking up individual birthdays to double check).

There is not a hockey executive alive who takes that team straight into a scorched-earth rebuild. Not one.
 

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Three years ago on this date, the Ducks were coming off a 100-point season and two seasons removed from a conference final appearance. They had a franchise C in Getzlaf, a 24-year-old Rakell nearly put up a PPG, Kase looked ready to be a breakout star, Lindholm was a 24-year-old No. 1 D, and Gibson was 24 years old and in the conversation for best goalie in the world (all ages are their season ages for 2017-2018, not looking up individual birthdays to double check).

There is not a hockey executive alive who takes that team straight into a scorched-earth rebuild. Not one.

you do if you have Kesler(LTIR), Perry (No longer 1st line), Kase (Injured all year), and most of your remaining top 9 are on the wrong side of 28, or just not as good as you hoped. If he can only take 5 years to get back to relevance (Which would be the 23/24 season) then I think he has succeeded.

The negative is that he has screwed up both expansion drafts, which set us back a bit.
 
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you do if you have Kesler(LTIR), Perry (No longer 1st line), Kase (Injured all year), and most of your remaining top 9 are on the wrong side of 28, or just not as good as you hoped. If he can only take 5 years to get back to relevance (Which would be the 23/24 season) then I think he has succeeded.

The negative is that he has screwed up both expansion drafts, which set us back a bit.

Kase played 66 games that year. Silfverberg and Henrique were 27, Ritchie was 22.
 

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Kase played 66 games that year. Silfverberg and Henrique were 27, Ritchie was 22.

They did not decide to blow it up that year, it started the next year
Kase 30 games next year
Fire Carlyle

Rico and Silf 29 and 28 two years ago
Traded Kase and Ritchie

covid year.
 

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If gibson and lindholm go through their yearly injuries I see us being last place in the entire nhl. Maybe Arizona but we would still be pretty bad. This team has been snake bitten and injury riddled since 2018.
 

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If gibson and lindholm go through their yearly injuries I see us being last place in the entire nhl. Maybe Arizona but we would still be pretty bad. This team has been snake bitten and injury riddled since 2018.
You need to look at the Buffalo line up before you say that Arizona and the Ducks will be fighting it out for the bottom. I personally think that Arizona and Buffalo will be fighting for the greatest tank position possible.
 
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ouch for us... or maybe we could be that Cinderella team?

Most likely Canucks or Kings would be that team but i hope its SJ so they miss out on Wright/Lambert. SJ added Bonino + Cogliano + better goalie this time around.

Canucks look like a better team than Seattle. Franchise Center(Petey), Franchise Dman(Quinn), quality wingers (Garland, Boeser, JT Miller, Hoglander) and potential calder candidate in Podkolzin. Add in that if they get a bounce back season from OEL that would help them a lot and i really think its possible, with how depressing the Coyotes have been run i bet it effected OEL.
 

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Has probably been touched on in this thread but a lot of Bruin fans would offload Debrusk for futures to free up dollars for Krejci. His cap hit is actually much lower than what is owed to him for this season. Seems like a good target and we'd obviously have the room to add him without sending salary out
 

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Stephens projected lineup:

Max ComtoisTrevor ZegrasTroy Terry
Rickard RakellIsac LundestromJakob Silfverberg
Adam HenriqueRyan GetzlafMax Jones
Sam SteelDerek GrantAlexander Volkov
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
 

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Stephens projected lineup:

Max ComtoisTrevor ZegrasTroy Terry
Rickard RakellIsac LundestromJakob Silfverberg
Adam HenriqueRyan GetzlafMax Jones
Sam SteelDerek GrantAlexander Volkov
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

If you swap Jones with Rakell you could have a dedicated checking line and legitimate offensive threats to play with Getzlaf for the first time in a while.
 
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Has probably been touched on in this thread but a lot of Bruin fans would offload Debrusk for futures to free up dollars for Krejci. His cap hit is actually much lower than what is owed to him for this season. Seems like a good target and we'd obviously have the room to add him without sending salary out

he’s not playing in NHL this year (Krejci)
 

405Entrance

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Anyone know if Boston has shitty contracts ? We can retain on Henrique and eat a bad contract for lysell :laugh:
 
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