OT: 2021 Football Thread - Part II

[Maximus]

Sure thing. I can handle. Will do a poll tomorrow maybe about a draft time.

Thx Hunter....really appreciate you stepping up and taking over Commish duties. It will be a fun league I'm sure with all of us knucklebrains in it...lol

 

[East Coast Bias]

49ers waive Rosen after QB's struggles in camp




Seems like just yesterday I was reading Giants fans complaining about not trading for Josh Rosen instead of taking Daniel Jones.

They were in different drafts

Rosen was 10th in the draft the Giants took Barkley 2nd.

 

[Maximus]

He’s out there now.

AZ was a mess and replaced their Head Coach who wanted Murray
Miami drafted Tua
49ers have Jimmy G and drafted Lance

At 24 yrs old, he really hasn’t had a stable chance imo. Possible his personality is the issue or he’s unlikely.

I was always worried about Rosen and that the Jets were going to take him due to his coming from a family worth zillions. There was always the chatter that due to his family's wealth, that Rosen didn't have that extra "drive" to be become great seeing even if he sucked, he'd still be a zillonaire unlike 90% of the rest of the QB's who come out of college who actually need the money that comes along with the fame and all the other perks.

 

[NYSPORTS]

yeah. But also, theres more to being a good NFL QB than just having a good arm and throwing a pretty ball. Maybe he just doesn't have the mentality for it, even though he's smart.

his personality certainly was knocked. Have to recognize though, the road to where he is included three teams which all just drafted Qbs including back to back who went #1 overall.

 

[NYSPORTS]

I was always worried about Rosen and that the Jets were going to take him due to his coming from a family worth zillions. There was always the chatter that due to his family's wealth, that Rosen didn't have that extra "drive" to be become great seeing even if he sucked, he'd still be a zillonaire unlike 90% of the rest of the QB's who come out of college who actually need the money that comes along with the fame and all the other perks.

their appeared to be a sense of entitlement lurking. Guilty until proved innocent? The experts may not have missed on this one. Still, Murray and Tua went #1 overall while the best he could hope for in SF was the #3.

 

[SA16]

I was always worried about Rosen and that the Jets were going to take him due to his coming from a family worth zillions. There was always the chatter that due to his family's wealth, that Rosen didn't have that extra "drive" to be become great seeing even if he sucked, he'd still be a zillonaire unlike 90% of the rest of the QB's who come out of college who actually need the money that comes along with the fame and all the other perks.

Yea that was always a nonsense argument. How come nobody ever uses that for all the son's of former professional players who are multi-millionaires? Just an excuse to use against Rosen.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Can someone post the updated list of who was going to play? I'll start a poll after that.

 

[redwhiteandblue]

Maximus
Hunter Gathers
NYR2k2
Zibanabread
East Coast Bias
NYSPORTS
mrmovies779
nyrleetch
Barnaby
nyrpat21
Rangerfan4life90
redwhiteandblue

Can someone post the updated list of who was going to play? I'll start a poll after that.

 

[sbjnyc]

their appeared to be a sense of entitlement lurking. Guilty until proved innocent? The experts may not have missed on this one. Still, Murray and Tua went #1 overall while the best he could hope for in SF was the #3.

Didn't Tua go #5?

 

[NYSPORTS]

Didn't Tua go #5?

that's right, he was injured. Wasn't it the hip?

 

[17futurecap]

Jets taking an absolute beating in practice with the Packers today, not surprising obviously, but Wilson staying in one piece this year seems in danger.

 

[sbjnyc]

that's right, he was injured. Wasn't it the hip?

Yep he may never fully recover.

 

[sbjnyc]

Jets taking an absolute beating in practice with the Packers today, not surprising obviously, but Wilson staying in one piece this year seems in danger.

Packers aren't fielding any starters in the preseason game. I think they only have 1 healthy QB other than Rodgers.

 

[redwhiteandblue]

that's right, he was injured. Wasn't it the hip?

Yep he may never fully recover.

Tua is such a great example of ESPN being the hype machine what they are and creating narrative. This kid was electric in college but with his frame, injury history, and style of play, there should have been plenty of reason he fell outside the top 10. No reason for him to go undrafted, but still writing was kind of on the wall. I'm not saying he won't be a good NFL QB either, I think this year is make or break for him a bit, but it was a huuuuuuge gamble taking him top 5. Justin Herbert was literally right there too, went the next pick.

Tua would be a cool skill set to go elite, he's just fragile IMO, and there couldn't have been a worse injury to come off of while making the biggest jump in talent in his career.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Tua is such a great example of ESPN being the hype machine what they are and creating narrative. This kid was electric in college but with his frame, injury history, and style of play, there should have been plenty of reason he fell outside the top 10. No reason for him to go undrafted, but still writing was kind of on the wall. I'm not saying he won't be a good NFL QB either, I think this year is make or break for him a bit, but it was a huuuuuuge gamble taking him top 5. Justin Herbert was literally right there too, went the next pick.

Tua would be a cool skill set to go elite, he's just fragile IMO, and there couldn't have been a worse injury to come off of while making the biggest jump in talent in his career.

he was really hyped. I think we all saw how slowly he got up off the floor vs Clemson in the Bowl game before he was injured the following year. He was getting up really slow and he wasn't get getting hit too hard.

 

[17futurecap]

Packers aren't fielding any starters in the preseason game. I think they only have 1 healthy QB other than Rodgers.

Right, I meant the practice today with the Packers, the game is whatever on Saturday, these two days are more important than the game because Gb is playing everyone in practice.

 

[bbny]

They were in different drafts

Rosen was 10th in the draft the Giants took Barkley 2nd.

Yes, I was referencing the large number of fans who wanted to trade with the Cardinals for Rosen the year after, to be the future QB solution

 

[Synergy27]

Yea that was always a nonsense argument. How come nobody ever uses that for all the son's of former professional players who are multi-millionaires? Just an excuse to use against Rosen.

This is absolutely not a nonsense argument. It shouldn’t be a main evaluation factor but a consideration in a tie breaker? Absolutely.

The difference between straight up busts and good players is very often drive. I think the Rangers clearly fell victim to this with Lias Andersson.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Yes, I was referencing the large number of fans who wanted to trade with the Cardinals for Rosen the year after, to be the future QB solution

i think most of the league would think about that. A team drafts a QB #10 overall and are only changing direction b/c a new coach wants his college QB. Seems like a good risk. Considering what’a happened, i wonder if he is a good risk for a team.

 

[sbjnyc]

 

[NYSPORTS]

Andrew Brandt

Aaron: “Just don’t plan on staying with the Jets:
Wilson: “No worries, that’s not happening.”

 

[17futurecap]

Lawson carted off, another season of Jets football has arrived

 

[Barnaby]

This is absolutely not a nonsense argument. It shouldn’t be a main evaluation factor but a consideration in a tie breaker? Absolutely.

The difference between straight up busts and good players is very often drive. I think the Rangers clearly fell victim to this with Lias Andersson.

I think it helps you paint a picture of who someone is as a person, but it’s certainly not an automatic negative. Coming from wealth and a strong family life can certainly be better than coming up in abject poverty with no foundation around you. Mahomes and Christian McCaffrey both came from money and both are considered great people and leaders. On the flip side, I felt Rosen came across as very aloof.

I feel like hockey players are viewed as more blue collar types who generally get into less legal trouble than other athletes. Meanwhile, the reality is that it’s a very expensive sport to play. You can’t just run outside with your friends and bring a ball or glove.

 

[Barnaby]

Lawson carted off, another season of Jets football has arrived

Unreal.

 

[East Coast Bias]

f***ing Jets. Goddamn