MatchesMalone
Formerly Innocent Bystander
- Aug 29, 2010
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Did you accidentally reverse your thought in that 1st paragraph?
Explain?
Did you accidentally reverse your thought in that 1st paragraph?
Did you accidentally reverse your thought in that 1st paragraph?
I think the team and player will make the proper decision together.
That said, one element that I think has been left out is how late Pinto started to focus on hockey full-time. It wasn't that long ago that he was an afterthought for college let alone USA hockey and NHL teams.
I would prefer he stick in college, get another year with tons of practice and gym time while being leaned on as a leader and then transition to AHL or right to NHL if he is ready.
Im on the fence with this one ... but if the sens though he was ready for the AHL and he could have a Norris/Formenton type developmental year how could they not explore that option?
It’s also interesting to consider that the team likes having these guys play together and grow together. Pinto is definitely in that next group that could/should join the kids this year that don’t immediately make the NHL team out of camp.
He’ll be leading the next wave that will play with JBD, Tompson, and some of the kids from this year’s team.
Gotta get him into the stream and if he’s going to be core, you want that year playing with his potential teammates in the AHL. I personally don’t like the sound of another year in college and then trying to parachute into the NHL after that.
I’d like to see him get the exact same treatment as Batherson, Norris, and Forms.
Then you'd have him play his D+2 in college as all those guys played their D+2 in junior and college. Easier to transition him to pro in a year most like, have him come in with Crookshanks and Novak.I’d like to see him get the exact same treatment as Batherson, Norris, and Forms.
Don't think you can make a generalization about development and what if he goes 1 more year college then to the A?
Dont think we can screw this up but given his relatively late start and historical context of college players I am leaning towards him having another season at ND.
Then you'd have him play his D+2 in college as all those guys played their D+2 in junior and college. Easier to transition him to pro in a year most like, have him come in with Crookshanks and Novak.
These are two more players I really like & could see on a future Sens team, looking forward to both playing in Belleville next yr. Gruden has 61 pts in 53 games this yr & Kastelic has 58 pts in 49 games although these stats could be a few days old. Both players play a rough & gritty game & both are over a ppg. Glad to see they have so many gritty prospects in their org finally.
Why do you even bother responding to my posts, we agree on NOTHING? Have you ever seen Gruden play?Not sure I would describe Gruden as rough and gritty. Kastelic yes, Gruden not so much.
Why do you even bother responding to my posts, we agree on NOTHING? Have you ever seen Gruden play?
Mitchell Hoelscher vs. Jonathan Gruden, October 04, 2019 - Ottawa 67's vs. London Knights
Why do you even bother responding to my posts, we agree on NOTHING? Have you ever seen Gruden play?
Mitchell Hoelscher vs. Jonathan Gruden, October 04, 2019 - Ottawa 67's vs. London Knights
Isn't Gruden gritty in the same way that Comnor Brown and Tyler Ennis are? I had the impression that Gruden would go to the dirty areas and was good at battling for loose pucks and one-on-one battles. I dont remember ever hearing him being referred to as an overly physical player. So maybe he could still be considered gritty but not rough, tough, mean, intimidating or any other of the adjectives to describe physically imposing players.Not sure I would describe Gruden as rough and gritty. Kastelic yes, Gruden not so much.
Isn't Gruden gritty in the same way that Comnor Brown and Tyler Ennis are? I had the impression that Gruden would go to the dirty areas and was good at battling for loose pucks and one-on-one battles. I dont remember ever hearing him being referred to as an overly physical player. So maybe he could still be considered gritty but not rough, tough, mean, intimidating or any other of the adjectives to describe physically imposing players.
Good point. I have seen a handful of competing definitions of gritty. Some seem to define it as being synonymous with being tough; so by that definition a gritty player is someone who punishes people with their hits, gets into scrums and fights like Tkachuk or Neil. Others seem to define it as being a bit more synonymous with a grinder; so by that definition a player who battles hard for loose pucks, wins one-on-one battles and goes to the dirty areas and maybe is willing to get into scrums and it willing to throw their body around so players like C.Brown and Ennis could fit. Others seems to define it as synonymous with grinders but without any edge to their game; so by this definition players that simply work hard and often severely lack in talent are considered gritty, so for example Guy Boucher would have claimed Tom Pyatt was gritty.Yeah perhaps, but that's not the impression I got. Also not sure Aragorn would agree with you that Tyler Ennis is rough and gritty. CBrown yeah no doubts. Gruden has been compared to Lehkonen which again, doesn't spring to mind a rough and gritty guy.
Good point. I have seen a handful of competing definitions of gritty. Some seem to define it as being synonymous with being tough; so by that definition a gritty player is someone who punishes people with their hits, gets into scrums and fights like Tkachuk or Neil. Others seem to define it as being a bit more synonymous with a grinder; so by that definition a player who battles hard for loose pucks, wins one-on-one battles and goes to the dirty areas and maybe is willing to get into scrums and it willing to throw their body around so players like C.Brown and Ennis could fit. Others seems to define it as synonymous with grinders but without any edge to their game; so by this definition players that simply work hard and often severely lack in talent are considered gritty, so for example Guy Boucher would have claimed Tom Pyatt was gritty.
But more to your point, I hadn't really considered Gruden as a guy that was known for his grit. I thought he was a bit like Colin White, who has been gritty at teams and sometimes played with an edge last season but this season he seems to be really lacking in that regard. I haven't seen too much of Gruden but I got the impression that he is a difficult player to categorize. He has some all around skills but I don't really know what his defining characteristics are and what makes him really stand out as a player. Some players have elite skating, or an elite shot, or elite hockey iq, or elite defensive awareness, or elite toughness. What is Gruden elite at or have the capacity to be elite at? What really separates him from other players?