Maybe he'll prove to be good and it's all the wasteland that is Michigan's fault, but I can't muster the slightest give a shit about Martin not signing.
Usually if it's floated this far in advance it's the players camp saying it.Wonder which side said no?
We could use the depth.
St. Louis kid who grew up a Hawks fan. so if he signs locally he'll have some splainin' to doUsually if it's floated this far in advance it's the players camp saying it.
Wouldn't be surprised if he signs with the Blues. He's a St Louis kid, Pietrangelo is likely hitting UFA, and their rhs depth beyond the NHL is terrible.
As long as he signs in the West oh well, best of luck. If he signs with one of the usual suspects in the East (Pittsburgh, Boston, Rangers) then get f***ed.
lol there goes that speculation then. Yeah I won't like it if he signs with the hawks but I also won't care much either.St. Louis kid who grew up a Hawks fan. so if he signs locally he'll have some splainin' to do
I don't necessarily disagree (though I'd also have Honka ahead of him) but it may just be a case of him seeing the situation here with Pesce and Hamilton long term on that side, Slavin, Skjei, Gardner, and Fleury on the left. And a pipeline that already has Bean, Sellgren, and Keane basically ready to make the jump and just noped out.I will be the outlier. I think Martin is still a better than average prospect and I would have him in the top 4 for D prospect (behind Bean, Sellgren, and Keane). In three of his 4 seasons he was in the top 2 on Michigan for +/-. Everyone knows it isn't a great stat—however, look at which Ds are consistently best in that for the Canes.
He was the best D-man at the prospect camp 2 seasons ago. He was close to flawless covering forwards in drills.
I can see him becoming Stephen Johns-like.
I think there’d be a strong opinion he plays defensively better than both of those guys. There’s no question those two would impact the game offensively better than he would, and presumably play a much better transition game but there’s something to be said for a guy who can skate and play pretty sound d.Honka and Fensore both had better years than Martin. Hard to be #5-6 down the prospect D depth chart when the Canes already have Slavin, Pesce, Skjei, Gardiner, and hopefully Hamilton locked in long-term.
EDIT: nvm misread youI think there’d be a strong opinion he plays defensively better than both of those guys. There’s no question those two would impact the game offensively better than he would, and presumably play a much better transition game but there’s something to be said for a guy who can skate and play pretty sound d.
If he would sign with us it was worth it imo. If he didn’t want to sign than there’s nothing to be done.
I’m as much in the camp that the Canes didn’t want to sign him.I don't think it's that big of a deal that Martin doesn't want to sign here.
The season is over and now the work of building the next team has begun. On Friday, Rögle announced that six players will leave: Ted Brithén, Dominik Bokk, Daniel Bertov, Kodie Curran, Hampus Gustavsson and Roman Will.
Ut: Roman Will, mv, klubb ej klar, Kodie Curran, b, do, Daniel Bertov, b, Rögle, Ted Brithén, f, Bern, Dominik Bokk, f, Carolina, Hampus Gustavsson, f, klubb ej klar.
Den tyske forwarden Bokk hittade formen efter JVM och kommer nu att återvända till Carolina Hurricanes i väntan på besked om var han kommer spela nästa säsong.
I think folks are missing out that the point is to win not simply score.never understood what so many saw in luke martin. i think they were hoping he would grow into a set of hands but it never happened for him. in this day and age, players that play 50% of the ice aren't going to make it. it's still somewhat confounding how long it lasted.
I think folks are missing out that the point is to win not simply score.
Martin was known as a shut-down D, so he was playing against the other teams' top lines. He had one of the top 2 +/- in three of his four seasons. So at even strength the team was winning with him on the ice. He was also killing penalties. The 50% of the ice he was playing is really important if the other team is scoring more often in it than your offensively-gifted players are helping you score in the other end.
Martin might not have NHL talent.
However his offensive numbers weren't disimilar to Justin Holl's in college. Toronto discovered that Holl was needed among all their scoring D-men.
really appreciate this. spring is typically sluggish in arriving here in the great white north, so now I get to warm my hands by this simmering bonfire of luke martin's career. hmm, I count two (2) line breaks in this post vagrant, you're slipping. still, the 'funeral of intangibles' bit was a slick turn of phrase imo.i think more accurately the point of the game is to minimize the opposition's time with the puck and thereby limit their offensive chances, which can be accomplished a variety of ways. the most appealing of those ways being maintaining offensive zone possession. once possession is gained, everyone on the ice becomes an attacker. if you're deficient in that capacity (not just "not great offensively", but truly deficient) your team will most certainly suffer for your lack of balance the same way that your team's performance would suffer if the polar opposite was true that you were exceptional with the puck and brutal away from it. no end of that spectrum is good to try to establish as a niche if your aim is to play professionally, though admittedly teams are still somewhat behind the curve when it comes to isolating high scoring forwards that may cost as much as they create, but jeff skinner is proving to be a strong illustration of the dangers associated with investing too heavily into a player that is halfway there and what their game becomes when the results stop.
shut down defenseman should be a pejorative. you're either a good defenseman or you're a bad defenseman, and it can be either end of the rink that sinks you. but for my money, give me the guy that whips it around and i'll do my best to raise his terrible defense into acceptable range. doing the same in reverse is decidedly more rare to the extent that the analogy for them is a player who was in the american league at 26. but as far as that goes for him, he's the rare exception of a player that couldn't make tangible contributions in the offensive end, but developed more comfort with the puck through extensive time in the minors. yet that investment only rewarded them with a 5th defender and that's almost the best case scenario. the trade off of toughness for offense was once an exchange that made more sense in the league's interpretation of the rulebook at the time. when you could legally, and heroically, target the head it made a lot more sense that your skill deficient, concrete encased stay-at-home defender could impact the game by basically scaring the good players on the other team shitless with their recklessness. the way things are called now, there's not a place for that anymore. the shift happened so suddenly that there's a lot of folks that can't attend the funeral of intangibles and still insist that the model that was created has to be honored. your 4th line needs to be full of good spirited muckers and your bottom pairing needs to be a grizzly bear on skates. it's just senseless tradition and that thinking will be out of the league for good soon enough. you can tell by the moves they're making that this team is reading the writing on the wall on that when you look at the drafting and the heavy emphasis on technical skills.
nobody has to like it, and you're free to disagree, but i think they're 100% right in their prediction of the direction of the game. tenacity is being penalized at every step of the way for the generation developing right now. jamieson rees was damn near ejected from the league and fired into the sun for hits that would have gotten him on tsn a decade ago. there's liability in brain trauma and the not so subtle directive from the movers and shakers in hockey is that it has to go. if the nfl wasn't so obscenely profitable, there would be more being done from them to insulate themselves from future liability but the game is so violent by nature that slamming on the brakes is impossible. they're paying it away on a case by case basis to keep the biscuit wheels on the gravy train, but that's not going to cut it much longer. a lot of digression in there, but you're reading one of my posts so you have the time.
I have been a proponent of change in hockey more than most. Baseball and football have seen much more forward-thinking, whether it is the infield shift or empty-backfield formations. And basketball, the sport most like hockey due to fluid action and 5 main players, is decades ahead with its de-emphasis on traditional roles. Basketball has figured out that roles like pure point guard or low-post center make no sense with talents like Giannis/Lebron/Kawhi/Luca. In the next decade a few teams will figure out that having defined RW/C/LW lines is hidebound tradition. Likewise the need for a checking line.ou can tell by the moves they're making that this team is reading the writing on the wall on that when you look at the drafting and the heavy emphasis on technical skills.
nobody has to like it, and you're free to disagree, but i think they're 100% right in their prediction of the direction of the game.