Line Combos: 2019/2020 Lineup

[coladin]

Just as the idea Spezza will do much of anything except be a old slow forward that needs sheltered mins,but hey he will be good in the locker room...Waste of a signing

He just isn't as slow as you are portraying. He buys time for Batherson and Norris to develop the right way.

 

[topshelf15]

Any suggestions that would come here?

Who knows ,but there should be some better options...We have a boatload of prospects and picks,and tons of cap space...We should be able to do better than Spezza

 

[topshelf15]

He just isn't as slow as you are portraying. He buys time for Batherson and Norris to develop the right way.

Well he was pretty slow when he was here,cant see him getting any faster....Spezza just doesnt seem like the right fit here,I would rather our kids learn how to play the game from a guy like JGP ,than him

 

[BondraTime]

Who knows ,but there should be some better options...We have a boatload of prospects and picks,and tons of cap space...We should be able to do better than Spezza

Why would we want to? We aren't trying to compete this year, what's the point of tying up money and term in someone?

Not to mention that nobody worth their salt will be signing here.

-Buys time for prospects
-Not expensive
-Short term contract
-1000+ NHL games
-Ties to Ottawa
-Mentor for our young guys
-Likely out best offensive forward
-Top face off guy in league
-Can trade at the deadline (with a short term deal and low cap hit there will be a taker)

The kids know they need to work hard, Spezza offers so much more than anyone else who could teach kids in the roster. All JGP can teach them is how to work hard. Spezza has forgotten more about hockey than the rest of our guys know.

 

[topshelf15]

Why would we want to? We aren't trying to compete this year, what's the point of tying up money and term in someone?

Not to mention that nobody worth their salt will be signing here.

-Buys time for prospects
-Not expensive
-Short term contract
-1000+ NHL games
-Ties to Ottawa
-Mentor for our young guys
-Likely out best offensive forward
-Can trade at the deadline (with a short term deal and low cap hit there will be a taker)

How much is not expensive??Short term would be mean a one year deal....And while more than likely this is true,he would also be our most sheltered one as he would be our worst defensive forward...Also we already have guys like Tierny,Smith and Bodker to buy time for our kids

 

[Micklebot]

Why would we want to? We aren't trying to compete this year, what's the point of tying up money and term in someone?

Not to mention that nobody worth their salt will be signing here.

-Buys time for prospects
-Not expensive
-Short term contract
-1000+ NHL games
-Ties to Ottawa
-Mentor for our young guys
-Likely out best offensive forward
-Can trade at the deadline (with a short term deal and low cap hit there will be a taker)

Saved me the trouble and pretty much hit all the talking points.

There is no risk because we'd be doing a short term deal and don't care if he provides anything other than passing on his experience to the kids.

 

[topshelf15]

Saved me the trouble and pretty much hit all the talking points.

There is no risk because we'd be doing a short term deal and don't care if he provides anything other than passing on his experience to the kids.

How so?? By letting the kids he plays with do all the heavy lifting while he is on the ice with them??He is a liability now,we dont need to help Spezza hang on to his career...We need to help our kids learn how to play as a team and develop their own skills...

 

[BondraTime]

How much is not expensive??Short term would be mean a one year deal....And while more than likely this is true,he would also be our most sheltered one as he would be our worst defensive forward...Also we already have guys like Tierny,Smith and Bodker to buy time for our kids

Tierny Smith and Boedker are on the team regardless, how are they buying time for the spots we have open?

Spezza makes so much sense in that we don't need to worry about term, money, and we don't need to worry about him succeeding.

What's the harm if signing Spezza doesn't work out? We move on at the end of the year and he was around to help with the kids for a season while allowing our prospects to stay in Belleville?

That seems like a win-win.

You seem to believe that Spezza is not a guy you want young guys to learn from, I'm guessing because of his "defensive deficiencies". Thats absurd, he's exactly the type of guy we want White and Tkachuk to learn from. They aren't going to change their style of play, but they may pick up on things that Spezza knows about, which they don't.

 

[topshelf15]

Tierny Smith and Boedker are on the team regardless, how are they buying time for the spots we have open?

Spezza makes so much sense in that we don't need to worry about term, money, and we don't need to worry about him succeeding.

What's the harm if signing Spezza doesn't work out? We move on at the end of the year and he was around to help with the kids for a season while allowing our prospects to stay in Belleville?

That seems like a win-win.

He left here because he didnt like the pressure,and was already showing signs of becoming even more of a one way player...Now after 3 seasons he is likely even worse,so we would be signing a spot duty player and little else at this point...We really dont need anymore of those,as we already have enough of those types of veterans on the team

 

[topshelf15]

Look guys ,I love and respect you all....But I just dont agree with Spezza bringing anything to the table at this point that could help us...So I will agree to disagree

 

[Micklebot]

How so?? By letting the kids he plays with do all the heavy lifting while he is on the ice with them??He is a liability now,we dont need to help Spezza hang on to his career...We need to help our kids learn how to play as a team and develop their own skills...

So, Tkachuk talking about how much he learned from Stone, that wasn't important to his development? Kids benefit from vets experience.

Signing Spezza is a big part of how you help the kids learn how to play and develop their skills.

 

[Micklebot]

He left here because he didnt like the pressure,and was already showing signs of becoming even more of a one way player...Now after 3 seasons he is likely even worse,so we would be signing a spot duty player and little else at this point...We really dont need anymore of those,as we already have enough of those types of veterans on the team

According to him, he said he'd be ok with a trade if we were going into a rebuild, but wanted to stay if the team was committed to doing what was needed to win. Buying into the teams rhetoric post trade, we've seen the pattern for so long, I thought you might start to question the post trade PR by now...

 

[topshelf15]

So, Tkachuk talking about how much he learned from Stone, that wasn't important to his development? Kids benefit from vets experience. Signing Spezza is a big part of how you help the kids learn how to play and develop their skills.

Comparing Stone to Spezza at this point ,really doesnt work here ...Stone is a top 5 two way winger,Spezza was a healthy scratch due to his lack of footspeed that didnt allow him to take a regular shift 5 on5

 

[topshelf15]

According to him, he said he'd be ok with a trade if we were going into a rebuild, but wanted to stay if the team was committed to doing what was needed to win. Buying into the teams rhetoric post trade, we've seen the pattern for so long, I thought you might start to question the post trade PR by now...

Look Mick ,I just dont think Spezza is going to do much of anything if we were to sign him,he cant keep up anymore....And while yes the PP would improve ,he cant do anything else at this stage of his career...It just seems we would be buying a PP specialist and little else

 

[BondraTime]

Here are the "Vets" on our team

Bobby Ryan - 11 seasons
Mikkeal Boedker - 10 seasons
Zack Smith - 10 seasons

We absolutely do not have any good Vets for our young guys to learn from.

Say what you will about Spezza, he's forgotten more about hockey and it's intricacies than everyone else on our team combined.

- Go over face offs with White
- Explain what to do on the half-wall to Brady, White.
- Help Chabot sway guys in the PP to open up lanes
- Help Chabot/White with the PP entry
- Help Tkachuks shot
- Help Tkachuk/Chabot/White deal with any adversity
- He can wear the C for a season while Brady/Chabot transition
- Help guys with the shoot-out
- Would be a huge help to DJ

That's just some of the many things he an contribute without taking his actual play into account.

 

[topshelf15]

Here are the "Vets" on our team

Bobby Ryan - 11 seasons
Mikkeal Boedker - 10 seasons
Zack Smith - 10 seasons

We absolutely do not have any good Vets for our young guys to learn from.

Say what you will about Spezza, he's forgotten more about hockey and it's intricacies than everyone else on our team combined.

- Go over face offs with White
- Explain what to do on the half-wall to Brady, White.
- Help Chabot sway guys in the PP to open up lanes
- Help Chabot/White with the PP entry
- Help Tkachuks shot
- Help Tkachuk/Chabot/White deal with any adversity
- He can wear the C for a season while Brady/Chabot transition
- Help guys with the shoot-out
- Would be a huge help to DJ

That's just some of the many things he an contribute without taking his actual play into account.

Now list what cant do???Its probably just as long,I agree he would help the PP ...But the game is played at 5 on 5 far more of the time than on the PP...And Spezza cant do 5 on 5 anymore,my nightmare is watching Spezza and Ceci being hemmed in the D zone for mins at a time....

 

[Qward]

I am more excited for Belleville then I am Ottawa at this point in time.

 

[BondraTime]

Now list what cant do???Its probably just as long,I agree he would help the PP ...But the game is played at 5 on 5 far more of the time than on the PP...And Spezza cant do 5 on 5 anymore,my nightmare is watching Spezza and Ceci being hemmed in the D zone for mins at a time....

I don't care what he can't do, I'm talking about what he can teach them. I don't care what the on ice product of Spezza is, we are not going anywhere next year (and in no way is having Spezza on the ice worse than having Tierny on the ice). We can make him a healthy scratch if his play is that bad, he will still be a vet in the room and on the ice for practice.

Why don't you list the downfalls of signing Spezza? I don't see any. He's not going to cost us games, we know we are going to be awful.

 

[topshelf15]

I don't care what he can't do, I'm talking about what he can teach them. I don't care what the on ice product of Spezza is, we are not going anywhere next year (and in no way is having Spezza on the ice worse than having Tierny on the ice). We can make him a healthy scratch if his play is that bad, he will still be a vet in the room and on the ice for practice.

Thats what I think happens with him,and he will still want to play thus creating a distraction...JGP will be healthy and is a better leader for our kids at this point in time,we really dont need Spezza,there is just too much baggage with him now

 

[Micklebot]

Now list what cant do???Its probably just as long,I agree he would help the PP ...But the game is played at 5 on 5 far more of the time than on the PP...And Spezza cant do 5 on 5 anymore,my nightmare is watching Spezza and Ceci being hemmed in the D zone for mins at a time....

He was good enough to suit up for 76 reg season games and 11 playoff games with a much better stars team but he isn't good enough to suit up for the last place team in the league, right?

If he was as terrible as you suggest he would have been a healthy scratch far earlier and like i said, unlike the stars, we are more interested in the contributions he can make that don't have an immediate impact on wins and loses.

We are in the situation where the negatives he brings only impact things we don't care about.

 

[topshelf15]

He was good enough to suit up for 76 reg season games and 11 playoff games with a much better stars team but he isn't good enough to suit up for the last place team in the league, right?

If he was as terrible as you suggest he would have been a healthy scratch far earlier and like i said, unlike the stars, we are more interested in the contributions he can make that don't have an immediate impact on wins and loses.

We are in the situation where the negatives he brings only impact things we don't care about.

Its 5 on 5 play,its a pretty big deal...Besides JGP is far far better guy for our kids that are likely to be on the team to learn from,than a slow one way forward...That needs to be sheltered everytime he is on the ice save a PP

 

[BatherSeason]

He left here because he didnt like the pressure

After what we have witnessed here in the past year and a half, I question everything we were ever told about players wanting to leave.

 

[Micklebot]

Its 5 on 5 play,its a pretty big deal...Besides JGP is far far better guy for our kids that are likely to be on the team to learn from,than a slow one way forward...That needs to be sheltered everytime he is on the ice save a PP

We don't care if we lose games for the duration of his contract, in fact you could argue that the morehe "helps" us lose, the more valuable he is to us because a top pick is what this season is about.

 

[topshelf15]

After what we have witnessed here in the past year and a half, I question everything we were ever told about players wanting to leave.

Spezza wasnt good when he left,he could still score...But he was a player with diminished return on the ice,we didnt have the team that could support him back then...And we for sure dont have one now,with an even older Spezza

 

[Micklebot]

Spezza wasnt good when he left,he could still score...But he was a player with diminished return on the ice,we didnt have the team that could support him back then...And we for sure dont have one now,with an even older Spezza

That has literally nothing to do with the post you quoted...