Line Combos: 2019/2020 Lineup

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  1. Sen sational

    Sen sational Registered User

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    Ottawa will have some tough decisions to make out of training camp. What would your lineup look like, and why?

    My premise for all prospects is that unless you are a top 5 draft pick, and can compete in the NHL right away, let them play in the AHL until they are dominating.
    If Brown makes the team out of training camp, start him as 3rd line C and move White to right wing. If Brown starts in AHL, make White the 2C and Pageau 3C.
    If by the TDL Brown is comfortable at 2 or 3C, then trade Tierney and move White to C. Assuming Davidsson was ready last year for CBJ, bring him up to replace White at RW.

    White Tierney Duclair
    Ryan Pageau Tkachuk
    Batherson Brown Balcers
    Gibson Smith Paul
    Paajarvi

    If Ottawa signs Ceci to 3 years or less, if he is not signed then Wolanin plays 2RD with Brannstrom and Boro pairs with Jaros.
    DeMelo Chabot
    Ceci Wolanin
    Jaros Brannstrom
    Boro
    Harpur

    Anderson
    Hogberg

    Trade Boedker at the draft.
     
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    Ceci and Paajarvi resigned short term.

    Tkachuk-Tierney-Ryan
    Duclair-White-Batherson
    Boedker-Pageau-Balcers
    Paajarvi-Smith-Paul

    Chabot-Demelo
    Wolanin-Ceci
    Lajoie-Jaros
    Borowiecki

    Anderson
    Nilsson

    Last place here we come.
     
  3. Micklebot

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    It hurts my brain to see RW and RD listed on the left side of the ledger...

    Also, I see no world in which Tierny is our 1st line center over White. They want to develop White as a center, I don't see them playing him on wing unless something goes really wrong.
     
  4. Que

    Que 2018-2019 Worst to First

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    I think there’s a good chance White and/or Wolanin get offer sheet’d. Condon will be back.

    I could also see Ceci for Kadri.

    Tkachuk Kadri Duclair
    Ryan Pageau Batherson
    Tierney Brown Paul
    Verroneau Smith Balcers
    Boedkker Gibson

    Chabot - DeMelo
    Brannstrom - Jaros
    Boro - Harpur
    UFA

    Anderson
    Condon
    Hogberg
     
  5. Ouroboros

    Ouroboros Meaningless leaning mess

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    There aren't any tough decisions - the roster is pretty much set.

    Tkachuk-White-Gibbons
    Duclair-Brown-Batherson
    Formenton-Pageau-Ryan
    Smith-Tierney-Paul
    Boedker

    Chabot-DeMelo
    Brannstrom-Ceci
    Borowiecki-Jaros
    Wolanin
    Harpur

    Anderson
    Hogberg

    LTIR = Gaborik and MacArthur
    Retained = Phaneuf
    Buried = Condon

    Assumptions:

    White = 3.5M x 5
    Gibbons = 1M x 1
    Duclair = 1.25M x 1
    Paul = .8 x 1
    Ceci = 5M x 6

    Active roster cap = 47.75M
    Dead cap = 12.6M

    Total cap = 60.35M
     
  6. Joeyjoejoe

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    Tkachuk-White- Duclair
    Balcers - Tierney- Varreneau
    Paul- Brown - Batherson
    Smith - Pageau - Ryan
    Boedker.

    Chabot - DeMelo
    Wolanin - Ceci
    Braanstrom- Jaros
    Boro
     
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    Peptic Balcers Registered User

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    When people say “who cares if Boro isn’t the greatest, he won’t hurt you on the 3rd pairing!” He blocks a better defence man from playing. Also, I vomited when I saw the $ amount of active roster. Makes a case that there should be an active roster cap floor.
     
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    Good point on White.
     
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    No, no, no, trade Boedker now.
     
  10. Sen sational

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    Draft is a month away, don't think there will be much in the way of trades until the playoffs are done. Trade him whenever you can, don't think he has much value.
     
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    Are you looking to sign Ceci for 6 years or do you believe that is what the Sens will do? IMO signing Ceci longer than 3 years will create cap issues and ability to bring on young RD.
     
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    Duclair-Tierney-Ryan
    Tkachuk-White-Pageau
    Paul-Brown-Batherson
    Boedker-Smith-Pajaarvi

    Chabot-Demelo
    Brannstrom-XXX
    Wolanin-Jaros
    Boro

    I think we over pay a Top 4 RD to replace Ceci and stabilize our D
     
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    They will likely go with 23 players, who else would you keep up, without hurting their development?
     
  14. Gesus

    Gesus Melnyk & Dorion ruined everything

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    Status quo other than a few spare parts shuffled to make room for youth. Cap floor team with no significant additions.
     
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    The lines won’t be static. Brown could be the team’s best C or get cut and be in Belleville. He will probably spend time as both next year.

    Browns defensive metrics looked better then expected in Belleville. I could see him slotting different for home and away games.

    It’s doubtful but I haven’t written of Davidson or Norris from making the team.

    The sens can’t auto promote players who have bad camps. If some of these guy outperform the Brown/Batherson types they could easily start with the team.
     
  16. aragorn

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    I assume that PD will try & trade all of the UFAs leading up to the trade deadline next yr, Pageau, Boedker, DeMello, Boro, Condon & Anderson. However, I doubt that anyone will want either Condon or Boedker & they will be allowed to walk at the end of the season. Anderson could be kept as some kind of insurance in net unless they get a very good offer & he wants to go. Mac's contract will also be up next yr.

    I also think they will try & keep a number of their good prospects in Belleville for as long as possible so they have less good players to protect during the expansion draft. And they are going to want to try & get into the lottery draft as high as possible for 2020 so their is no real incentive to do well next season regardless of what PD says. I assume they will re-sign a few guys to new contracts White should be a long term deal, Duclair should be a show me deal, Ceci could be long term deal or he could be dealt. Daccord should be a show me deal, Paul, Rodewald, Tambellini & Klimchuk should all be short show me deals.

    To start the 2019/20 season:
    Duclair - Tierny - Ryan
    Tkachuk - White - Balcers
    Smith - Pageau - Boedker/Veronneau
    Paul - Brown - Batherson

    Chabot - DeMello
    Wolanin - Ceci
    Boro - Jaros/Harpur

    Anderson - Hogberg/Condon

    After the 2019/20 trade deadline & to start the next yr:
    Duclair - Tierny - Ryan - show me something line
    Tkachuk - White - Balcers - this is Balcers chance to show them something
    Paul - Brown - Batherson - who knows if these guys stay together
    Smith - Chlapik - Veronneau/Boedker (I doubt anyone will trade for Boedker)

    Chabot - Wolanin
    Brannstrom - Ceci (if he is still here)
    Harpur - Jaros/Lajoie

    Anderson - Hogberg/Condon (I doubt anyone will trade for Condon)

    - 2021 season Smith, Duclair & Tierny could all be moved & Ryan the yr after.
    - Who knows what they do with Anderson whether to keep him around as a mentor, backup or goalie coach or trade him, if someone wants him at the deadline next season.
    - Gaborik & Phaneuf will both be off the books at the end of the 2021 season.
    - The 2019 & 2020 top draft picks could also challenge for positions in 2021.

    After the Expansion Draft & trade deadline to end the 2021 season:
    Norris - Brown - Batherson
    Tkachuk - White - Ryan/(Afanesyev 2019 draft) - replace Ryan next yr
    Formenton - Chlapik - Leason (2019 draft)
    Paul - Byfield (2020 draft)- Williams (2019 draft)

    Chabot - Wolanin
    Brannstrom - Jaros
    Harpur - Seider (2019 draft)/(O'Rourke 2020 draft)

    Hogberg - Gustavsson/Daccord/Askarov 2020 draft)
     
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  17. danielpalfredsson

    danielpalfredsson why you zaitsev to be mad its only a trade

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    Tkachuk-White-Batherson (Top line)
    Balcers-Tierney-Ryan (2nd line that is actually a 3rd line on any other team)
    Smith-Pageau-(Veteran UFA) (Gritty good ol' Canadian boys matchup line)
    Duclair-Brown-Boedker (The 0-zone deployment 8 minutes a game at ES line)
    Veronneau-Gibbons

    I could see a lot of shuffling in the bottom 6, so don't take Veronneau or Gibbons out for Boedker too seriously. These aren't my preferred lines so much as what I would expect to see.

    I think Batherson will be a top 6er pretty much out of the gate. Brown will have lots of growing pains. He'll rack up his 40+ points but I could see him sheltered and playing the prototypical trope of young high scoring rookie who all the fans want to see in the top 6 but the coach who doesn't know what he is doing hates! Outside of maybe a "please try harder now" scratch here or there, I think Brown stays in the lineup because even if he is barely playing at ES, he'll be useful on the powerplay.

    We're gonna be really bad, so I could see a new coach leaning on Pageau pretty hard. I think he'll set a career high in ice time. As far as a veteran UFA, I think we'll sign somebody who can help out on Pageau's line and match up against top guys. We don't have many forwards who can play that role. Smith is stereotyped as a guy who can, but it's questionable whether he really excels at it at this point in his career. Speaking of Smith, I could see Smith-Brown-Duclair together as the fourth line with the idea being that Smith is the babysitter (Would be a great nickname). Not saying he's Bergeron, but I'd see that as the perception of why he is on there.

    Chabot-Demelo
    Brannstrom-Ceci
    Boro/Harpur-Jaros

    Our defense is gonna stink. If a new coach can figure out how to get the best out of Ceci, and if Brannstrom has a breakout season like Chabot just did, things might be salvageable. Other than Chabot, it'll be interesting to see if the other five defenders are given relatively even minutes, with a more committee like approach, or if a new coach buys into the CODY CECI IS A SHUTDOWN D-MAN storyline, and plays him 32 minutes a game against Sidney Crosby every night.
     
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    The entire team is going to stink next season. There is no sense in signing old vets such as Gibbons as it will only take valuable NHL experience away from the youngsters who have a future here. I do not think the Senators will spend any money on a decent UFA D or F next season because that is not the Melnyk strategy nor objective.

    The tank strategy should be in effect to get at least a top 5 draft pick and hopefully win the draft lottery.
     
  19. Sen sational

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    Does Wolanin end up in the AHL?
     
  20. Fenix Rises 2026

    Fenix Rises 2026 Alfie forever!

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    This next season is going to be a train full of hot garbage wrecking into a tire fire.

    I'll still be cheering, but it's gonna get ugly.
     
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    We all want the prospects to get playing time but not to the extent that it stunts their development. Who else is ready to play at the NHL level? If they sign Paajarvi and Gibbons they can be healthy scratches when the kids are ready.
     
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    Duclair-White-Tkachuk
    Boedker-Tierney-Ryan
    Balcers-Pageau-Verronneau
    Paul-Smith-Gibbons

    Chabot-Demelo
    Wolanin-Jaros
    Boro-Ceci-Harpur

    Keep all the kids in Belleville
     
  23. L'Aveuglette

    L'Aveuglette This space 4 rent

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    All I know is I don't think I can withstand watching Smith for another season with the Sens. They must find a way to get him out of town. Same with Ceci but we're all aware they're never letting him go however terrible he is.
     
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    All these lineups are depressing.
     
  25. danielpalfredsson

    danielpalfredsson why you zaitsev to be mad its only a trade

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    Nope, just a case of not double checking my work and forgetting a certain player exists when putting a lineup together.

    Probably a bit of a battle between Brannstrom and Wolanin in the depth chart.

    If we do keep Ceci, I wonder if we eventually move on from Harpur or Boro. It seems like we'll have an eventual logjam at LD. I can't imagine we move on from Boro right now in the middle of a rebuild when he is supposed to be one of the leaders, but who knows.
     

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