2019/20 Roster Thread XIX

[Jettany]

Its beyond obvious they value him. Im trying hard not to go down this hole with the club again but is it really all that shocking when you have Lappy, Therrien and Yeo as talent evaluators?

They doubled down on hockey man logic this off season because they wanted nothing but experience behind that bench. No matter how flawed that experience may be.

At the end of the day, I wont care if the wins do indeed come. We shall see, but there is some cause for concern. Lets not pretend that Chuck Fletcher and his band of Merry Men is a concrete collection of strong hockey minds. There is a reason why much of the league questioned these hirings. Again, hopefully they prove the doubts wrong.

Much of the league? So other coaches and GMs spoke out against these hires? This I did not see.

 

[flyershockey]

Big f--ing deal.
Fletcher has said he's going to be shuttling players between LHV and Philly.
I expect the roster to be in flux for a few months, then Fletcher is going to move a couple veterans and open up space for the kids who earn it.

Getting upset by this or that short-term move is a waste of energy, right now they're still in the evaluation phase, once the team gets comfortable with the new schemes, the veterans who don't fit will stick out like sore thumbs.

The only real test of a NHL player is NHL games.
AV ha been through this twice and I'm sure will feel no panic at a slow start.
He'll stick to his guns until he has a roster he's comfortable throwing out there, night after night.

So just write off the first month of the season because of adjustments? If the Flyers have any hopes of making the playoffs this year, they probably shouldn't treat the first month like extended training camp. They don't have enough talent to chase points all season.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Ill also add this though, if pre-season is any indication for how things go this year (and again, I realise this is jumping to conclusions early) - banging the drum that it is all on coaching or Fletcher is someone I wont do.

There is going to have to come a point where the cold reality is going to have to set in that the pieces assembled aren't enough, and draft picks in the middle of the first round aren't going to add enough.

There is an analogy I used to use on another Flyer site, that I cant shake. Think of the Leafs in the latter day Sundin era.

 

[Striiker]

I'll blame the overall roster once they've been put in a position to succeed and fail for a long period of time.

If they keep getting sabotaged, as they have been, then the fault belongs with the guys f***ing them over.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Its beyond obvious they value him. Im trying hard not to go down this hole with the club again but is it really all that shocking when you have Lappy, Therrien and Yeo as talent evaluators?

They doubled down on hockey man logic this off season because they wanted nothing but experience behind that bench. No matter how flawed that experience may be.

At the end of the day, I wont care if the wins do indeed come. We shall see, but there is some cause for concern. Lets not pretend that Chuck Fletcher and his band of Merry Men is a concrete collection of strong hockey minds. There is a reason why much of the league questioned these hirings. Again, hopefully they prove the doubts wrong.

Its not as bad as the Hex and Hak reign tho, you could argue that Hogg is the only true piece of garbage left, so we are moving in the right direction

 

[FlyerNutter]

Much of the league? So other coaches and GMs spoke out against these hires? This I did not see.

They did not, but if you didnt see the opinions of fans from other clubs then I'd urge you to look there.

Some people put no stock into the opinions of fans. Frankly, I think a lot of the difference between the value of an opinion between a fan and say someone like Chuck, is that his daddy got him a start in the league.

The opinion of fans isnt the focal point of my post, so lets not make it that.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Its beyond obvious they value him. Im trying hard not to go down this hole with the club again but is it really all that shocking when you have Lappy, Therrien and Yeo as talent evaluators?

They doubled down on hockey man logic this off season because they wanted nothing but experience behind that bench. No matter how flawed that experience may be.

At the end of the day, I wont care if the wins do indeed come. We shall see, but there is some cause for concern. Lets not pretend that Chuck Fletcher and his band of Merry Men is a concrete collection of strong hockey minds. There is a reason why much of the league questioned these hirings. Again, hopefully they prove the doubts wrong.

These kinds of doubts are the things that were shut and shouted down all summer long. Four long months of listening to total horse ****. There is going to be a lot of backtracking in the coming days.

 

[Striiker]

These kinds of doubts are the things that were shut and shouted down all summer long. Four long months of listening to total horse ****. There is going to be a lot of backtracking in the coming days.

Gotta disagree here.

They won't backtrack, they'll double down.

 

[FlyerNutter]

These kinds of doubts are the things that were shut and shouted down all summer long. Four long months of listening to total horse ****. There is going to be a lot of backtracking in the coming days.

People want to believe. Hell I do as well, as a fan. Its early and I want to make that clear when I make these posts. I hope I am proven wrong.

The notion that is it all on coaching, or playing Hagg would have to be looked at as well though. At some point, realization that a group of complimentary pieces wont get it done will have to be admitted. Thats where I am heading if this year goes poorly.

As a fan, I hope they rise up and silence the doubt.

 

[flyershockey]

Its beyond obvious they value him. Im trying hard not to go down this hole with the club again but is it really all that shocking when you have Lappy, Therrien and Yeo as talent evaluators?

They doubled down on hockey man logic this off season because they wanted nothing but experience behind that bench. No matter how flawed that experience may be.

At the end of the day, I wont care if the wins do indeed come. We shall see, but there is some cause for concern. Lets not pretend that Chuck Fletcher and his band of Merry Men is a concrete collection of strong hockey minds. There is a reason why much of the league questioned these hirings. Again, hopefully they prove the doubts wrong.

The coaching staff, collectively, has been fired 8 times by 6 different NHL teams. Two of the coaches were fired on 3 separate occasions by one NHL club. I know this is a results oriented business where snap judgments are often the norm, but that doesn't exactly scream excellence.

There's a reason for that.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

People want to believe. Hell I do as well, as a fan. Its early and I want to make that clear when I make these posts. I hope I am proven wrong.

That's fine, and isn't the problem. The problem is when people start acting like we should be sitting in a drum circle holding hands and chanting "Kumbaya" while we shelve our critical thinking. That's more or less exactly what happened in here this summer.

 

[Jettany]

They did not, but if you didnt see the opinions of fans from other clubs then I'd urge you to look there.

Some people put no stock into the opinions of fans. Frankly, I think a lot of the difference between the value of an opinion between a fan and say someone like Chuck, is that his daddy got him a start in the league.

The opinion of fans isnt the focal point of my post, so lets not make it that.

If it were up to fans, players would be traded and coaches fired every other week. LOL.

I just find it hard to critique a head coach(who took 2 separate organizations to cup finals)before his new team has ever played a game.


Like I said all summer, time will tell.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I really dont want to jump into the place I've been with this club for what seems like many years. I had optimism heading into this year, and won't pretend that perhaps I am being too hasty judging off of pre-season...

I just expected more, and there is a growing part of me that wants to burn this mother ****er to the ground. Have wanted to for some time now. I feel as there is a lot of stagnant rot, and a couple of complimentary pieces being infused here and there isn't going to change a losing and lackadaisical culture.

Really do hope they prove me wrong. The purgatory needs to end, but I see a franchise that is full of complimentary pieces, and very little more.

Well my mindset has been the same as it was months ago. Things are going to need to materialize on the ice over a bigger sample for me to change my mind. Admittedly it hasn’t been off to a great start but it is a smaller sample at least for better or worse.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

The coaching staff, collectively, has been fired 8 times by 6 different NHL teams. Two of the coaches were fired on 3 separate occasions by one NHL club. I know this is a results oriented business where snap judgments are often the norm, but that doesn't exactly scream excellence.

There's a reason for that.

Hak has only been fired once.

#HireHak

I’m not putting down your reasoning with that statement. I just wanna watch the world burn.

 

[FlyerNutter]

The coaching staff, collectively, has been fired 8 times by 6 different NHL teams. Two of the coaches were fired on 3 separate occasions by one NHL club. I know this is a results oriented business where snap judgments are often the norm, but that doesn't exactly scream excellence.

There's a reason for that.

Dont disagree, what I am saying also is that at some point the talent level on the club will have to be questioned as well. There is a reason that there was doubt in signing Hayes for example. Not because he isn't a decent player, but because hes likely not anywhere close enough to the needed talent infusion.

I've long supported some of the talented core, and still would to a degree - but I am moving to a realm (if things go poorly) where I'll blatantly have to admit that they aren't enough, and more complimentary pieces, or kids drafted in the middle of round one. Wont be enough.

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

Imagine if they send down Farabee and Myers

And Charlie could plausibly shut the f*** up with his numbers.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The coaching staff, collectively, has been fired 8 times by 6 different NHL teams. Two of the coaches were fired on 3 separate occasions by one NHL club. I know this is a results oriented business where snap judgments are often the norm, but that doesn't exactly scream excellence.

There's a reason for that.

I have concerns that their collective deficiencies will be an obstacle.

I am not worried about this group beating out what we had up through last year.

 

[FlyerNutter]

If it were up to fans, players would be traded and coaches fired every other week. LOL.

I just find it hard to critique a head coach(who took 2 separate organizations to cup finals)before his new team has ever played a game.


Like I said all summer, time will tell.

Hell for sure. Time will tell. I do think there are some flags arising however.

 

[Striiker]

I guess we have to wait until after the first game to criticize Hagg being in the lineup.

It's not as if we've watched him play 150+ games.

What kind of logic is this.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I guess we have to wait until after the first game to criticize Hagg being in the lineup.

It's not as if we've watched him play 150+ games.

What kind of logic is this.

Same logic that Hak didn’t get a fair shake and needed more time.

 

[FlyerNutter]

I guess we have to wait until after the first game to criticize Hagg being in the lineup.

What kind of logic is this.

Apologies if I truly am assuming wrong, but I do believe a lot of it is simply folks trying to be optimistic. I get the desire for that.

I have very little optimism left for this club. What the f*** for.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Same logic that Hak didn’t get a fair shake and needed more time.

Except that was true.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Apologies if I truly am assuming wrong, but I do believe a lot of it is simply folks trying to be optimistic. I get the desire for that.

I have very little optimism left for this club. What the **** for.

I have tons of optimism, most I have had in this team in a long time.

That being Said, Haag even being on the roster drives me f***ing nuts. We don't need to carry 8 D men and he is the worst.

Trade him for a pick , or waive him, that is the only 2 options !!

 

[Striiker]

Apologies if I truly am assuming wrong, but I do believe a lot of it is simply folks trying to be optimistic. I get the desire for that.

I have very little optimism left for this club. What the **** for.

Being hopeful is fine.
Blind optimism and saying people can't critique clear mistakes is not fine.

The logic I keep seeing of saying we can't criticize the management/coaches because "we haven't even played a game yet" is ridiculous, since their work begins long before a game is played. We don't need to wait for the first game to know that certain things are mistakes and if we see them happen, like the Hagg issue as an example, then calling it out is far from unfair.

 

[Tripod]

getting caught up....am I seeing this right that the issue we have for game 1 is that Pitlick and Patrick are not on IR, so we need to "demoted" 2 people to be cap compliant?

And I thought Pit and Pat were hurt so assumed they WOULD be on IR.

Confused....