2019/20 Roster Thread XIX

[CanadianFlyer88]

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[Curufinwe]

I don't mind the Braun trade. Hagg would be a top 6 lock if Fletcher hadn't traded for Braun.

I hate this Stewart shit, and the way he demoted NAK as if Twarysnki is a clearly better 4th line option.

 

[PhlthyRich]

Maybe Couts and Laughton fought last night so they could further exemplify Stewart should be gone

 

[Appleyard]

That's a different issue, whether they want to save money by delaying his first RFA season.
I think in the grand scheme of things, they couldn't give a fig if he plays well enough to stay on the team.
He'll still be ED exempt, which is far more important.

His contract will slide if he plays below 10 games, and his ELC will not start until 2020-21.

Yeh, he will be expansion exempt whatever. He will only have 2 pro seasons max under his belt when the draft rolls around.

 

[orangecrush8]

Chuck has openly said that he expects a large amount of roster moves in the first 60 days of the season.

I truly see zero harm in playing Twar and Bunny over NAK based on their preseason play.

If they looked out of place and overwhelmed like Misha has, then we will see some moves.

We aren’t talking about future top 6 players here. Twar and Bunny were contribtuing more than NAK was during the preseason. Give me the hot hands to open the year.

 

[deadhead]

I couldn't care either way, but even if they sign Stewart, what's the over/under in games played and minutes?
I'd put it at 10 games and 6 minutes a game.
Once Pitlick and Patrick return, he'd be buried in the press box, which is why I think it's a long shot he gets signed.

Same with Hagg, if a RHD gets injured, it's more likely that Ghost or Sanheim moves to RHD or they call up Friedman.
And he has to beat out Morin to be the 4th LHD.

Just not the kind of issues to get riled up over.

As far as Frost, I have no problem with him starting at LHV, he's not 4C material and not sure he's ready for 3C as a rookie.
Twarynski v NAK? Who cares, if NAK wants to get promoted, outplay his peers, if Twarynski wants to stick, play this way in the regular season.
It'll sort itself out.

I'm just happy the call up options aren't Akeson, Martel, Weal, Knight, Varone, et al.

 

[Curufinwe]

Twar and Stewart have more preseason points than Farabee so by that logic, they should be ahead of him in the lineup.

 

[Starat327]

Outside of a select few, how many people here have staunchly defended every Fletcher move?

I have seen a lot of criticism from almost everyone about at least one of his offseason decisions. The general consensus seems to be lukewarm at best.

I'm not sure what this has to do with my comment? Calling out any issue or concern with Fletcher in the offseason resulted in wanton "Hextall lover" comments, that was the issue. It doesnt matter who or how many of them there were - just that the idea of criticizing any of his moves was deemed unimaginable. To answer your question though, I'd wager there were more than a handful of people who were in that group.

 

[Striiker]

It's insane, isn't it?

Over the past few months, anyone who brought up the slightest bit of concern about AV or Fletcher were labeled "negative", "Fletcher haters", "AV haters", and so on. Some were so far biased in their favor that they mistook anyone in the middle as being on the opposite extreme. Even when just bringing up concerns about them repeating past mistakes, the reaction was insane. Even posters with far better reputations than mine, who have proven to be pretty damn knowledgeable many times in the past, were swarmed. And look where we are.

I won't even make guarantees I can't back up, like they did. I'll be extremely generous and list these possible-to-likely inexcusable mistakes as merely having "a non-zero chance of occurring", which alone is still unacceptable:

-Stewart makes the starting 12
-Hagg makes the starting 6
-Myers gets benched
-Morin gets waived
-A healthy Frost is in the AHL
-Laughton is 3C
-Giroux gets moved back to C
-Sanheim plays on the right side (which I was told couldn't happen, and that I should "let my dream of Ghost playing on the right side die", because "AV doesn't play defensemen on their off sides")
-Sanheim is 5th on the defensemen PP depth chart
-Two AHL forwards are gifted spots based strictly on PRESEASON play
-NAK gets passed over by proven inferior players
... and I'm sure there's others I'm forgetting, but this is good enough for now. We all get the point.

We're back to where we started. Hoping that our stars and top youth can carry the team, in spite of managements attempts to hold them back and saddle them with dead weight.

I'll also quickly add to this that every game and every point matters, so "it might only be temporary" is an invalid excuse.

 

[dragonoffrost]

As far as Frost, I have no problem with him starting at LHV, he's not 4C material and not sure he's ready for 3C as a rookie.

Fletcher has gone on record that Frost's demotion is based on his groin issues. To me that says if he was healthy he was the 3C until Patrick got healthy. Then what happened would be decided based on the roster at that time.

 

[orangecrush8]

Twar and Stewart have more preseason points than Farabee so by that logic, they should be ahead of him in the lineup.

It’s a weak argument because Farabee clearly outplayed all of them. I’m not basing it solely off points. I think Bunny and Twar had better preseasons than NAK.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

I'm not sure what this has to do with my comment? Calling out any issue or concern with Fletcher in the offseason resulted in wanton "Hextall lover" comments, that was the issue. It doesnt matter who or how many of them there were - just that the idea of criticizing any of his moves was deemed unimaginable. To answer your question though, I'd wager there were more than a handful of people who were in that group.

I was responding to the "I was assured the GM knows best" comment. It seems like the vocal minority is riling up the rest.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I was responding to the "I was assured the GM knows best" comment. It seems like the vocal minority is riling up the rest.

What else is new here.

 

[Starat327]

I was responding to the "I was assured the GM knows best" comment. It seems like the vocal minority is riling up the rest.

There were quite a few people who weren't even remotely interested in hearing about mistakes Fletcher has made in the past, his roster tendencies, and the like. You'd have thought that I had said the guy was completely incapable of doing his job when these sorts of things were mentioned, and I remember often it was long the line of "he wont make the same mistakes as Hextall", "we have too many good young players now to fill roster spots"," hes not going to play garbage players" etc.

And yet, here we are.

 

[Curufinwe]

As much as I would prefer NAK to be on the team, where we are right now is a place where 19 year old Farabee, 21 year old Bunnaman and 21 year old Twarynski are all making the roster.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

I'm not sure what this has to do with my comment? Calling out any issue or concern with Fletcher in the offseason resulted in wanton "Hextall lover" comments, that was the issue. It doesnt matter who or how many of them there were - just that the idea of criticizing any of his moves was deemed unimaginable. To answer your question though, I'd wager there were more than a handful of people who were in that group.

There absolutely were more than a handful of them, and that is not debatable. The overwhelming majority acted that way. It was insufferable.

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

Bunnaman just seems like a low event player to me.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

I was responding to the "I was assured the GM knows best" comment. It seems like the vocal minority is riling up the rest.

Yeah bud, that's not what happened.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Bunnaman just seems like a low event player to me.

DAMN YOU, FARTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!

 

[Curufinwe]

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
24	$81,500,000	$82,070,078	$0	$3,597,500	-$570,078

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Patrick and/or Pitlick on LTIR to start the season to get them down to 22/23 players & under the cap.

Left Wing	Center	Right Wing
Giroux, Claude $8,275,000 LW, C, RW NMC UFA - 3	Couturier, Sean $4,333,333 C UFA - 3	Konecny, Travis $5,500,000 RW, LW UFA - 6
van Riemsdyk, James $7,000,000 LW UFA - 4	Hayes, Kevin $7,142,857 C NMC UFA - 7	Voracek, Jakub $8,250,000 RW UFA - 5
Lindblom, Oskar $925,000 LW RFA - 1	Laughton, Scott $2,300,000 C UFA - 2	Farabee, Joel $925,000 LW RFA - 3
Twarynski, Carsen $775,833 LW RFA - 2	Bunnaman, Connor $736,666 C RFA - 2	Raffl, Michael $1,600,000 LW, RW UFA - 2
	Patrick, Nolan $925,000 C, RW RFA - 1	Pitlick, Tyler $1,000,000 RW UFA - 1

[THEAD] [/THEAD]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Provorov, Ivan $6,750,000 LD UFA - 6	Niskanen, Matt $5,750,000 RD NTC UFA - 2	Elliott, Brian $2,000,000 G UFA - 1
Gostisbehere, Shayne $4,500,000 LD UFA - 4	Braun, Justin $3,800,000 RD UFA - 1	Hart, Carter $730,833 G RFA - 2
Sanheim, Travis $3,250,000 RD RFA - 2	Myers, Philippe $678,889 RD RFA - 1
Morin, Samuel $700,000 LD RFA - 2	Hägg, Robert $1,150,000 LD RFA - 1

[THEAD] [/THEAD]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[landsbergfan]

Bunnaman just seems like a low event player to me.

this is a personal attack, if I've ever seen one

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

this is a personal attack, if I've ever seen one

 

[landsbergfan]

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
24	$81,500,000	$82,070,078	$0	$3,597,500	-$570,078

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Patrick and/or Pitlick on LTIR to start the season to get them down to 22/23 players & under the cap.

Going to ignore the formatting, but that decision will be interesting. It is the only way they can get under the cap unless they demote Myers and play Morin/Hagg. Fairly certain that putting one of them on LTIR keeps them out for almost a month.

 

[Jettany]

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
24	$81,500,000	$82,070,078	$0	$3,597,500	-$570,078

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Patrick and/or Pitlick on LTIR to start the season to get them down to 22/23 players & under the cap.

Left Wing	Center	Right Wing
Giroux, Claude $8,275,000 LW, C, RW NMC UFA - 3	Couturier, Sean $4,333,333 C UFA - 3	Konecny, Travis $5,500,000 RW, LW UFA - 6
van Riemsdyk, James $7,000,000 LW UFA - 4	Hayes, Kevin $7,142,857 C NMC UFA - 7	Voracek, Jakub $8,250,000 RW UFA - 5
Lindblom, Oskar $925,000 LW RFA - 1	Laughton, Scott $2,300,000 C UFA - 2	Farabee, Joel $925,000 LW RFA - 3
Twarynski, Carsen $775,833 LW RFA - 2	Bunnaman, Connor $736,666 C RFA - 2	Raffl, Michael $1,600,000 LW, RW UFA - 2
	Patrick, Nolan $925,000 C, RW RFA - 1	Pitlick, Tyler $1,000,000 RW UFA - 1

[THEAD] [/THEAD]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Provorov, Ivan $6,750,000 LD UFA - 6	Niskanen, Matt $5,750,000 RD NTC UFA - 2	Elliott, Brian $2,000,000 G UFA - 1
Gostisbehere, Shayne $4,500,000 LD UFA - 4	Braun, Justin $3,800,000 RD UFA - 1	Hart, Carter $730,833 G RFA - 2
Sanheim, Travis $3,250,000 RD RFA - 2	Myers, Philippe $678,889 RD RFA - 1
Morin, Samuel $700,000 LD RFA - 2	Hägg, Robert $1,150,000 LD RFA - 1

[THEAD] [/THEAD]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Looks about right... Need Frost and/or Patrick to get healthy and move Haag. Then really no need to complain about the roster.

 

[Curufinwe]

Yup, at least 10 games/24 days.

But I wouldn't expect Patrick to play in October at this point.