Speculation: 2019-20 Roster Speculation Pt. 4

[cramdizzl]

I may be wrong but WOWY doesn't track scoring, just these shot metrics. Isn't the benefit of Skinner with Eichel, not that they generate more chances, its that those chances get converted to goals more frequently?

I'm not advocating for that lineup, I think Skinner and Eichel should be glued together. I'm just saying that Sheary was far better than he was given credit for around here.

 

[Dingo44]

Nice work.

Looks like Sheary should be in the top group. I'm not surprised to see him faring well in this. He made a lot of good things happen but he and his linemates were absolutely snake-bitten when it came to finishing the play. The bad rap he gained around here has always surprised me, especially given his tenacity and how badly this team has been lacking it.

I seem to remember him getting a lot of chances and just not finishing due to bad luck or something else. I don't really remember not liking his game other than the lack of production.

 

[Chainshot]

I seem to remember him getting a lot of chances and just not finishing due to bad luck or something else. I don't really remember not liking his game other than the lack of production.

He had a long scoreless drought punctuated by a single goal. He shoots a lot which may also impact events with others because he’s shooting more than other players. He never seems to be shy to try to get the puck on net.

 

[Chainshot]

I'm just counting down the days till the pre-season, I want to be surprised by what I see this year.

Same. I want to see all the mobility on the blueline given a pre-season together, a 19-year old Dahlin, the Rochester guys who were knocking on the door, and how Krueger puts all of them together. I'm hoping for motivation and attention to detail.

 

[Here4ThePopcorn]

Figured this might be the best place to ask.
When do saber fans expect UPL to come into the nhl?

 

[Beerz]

I'm not advocating for that lineup, I think Skinner and Eichel should be glued together. I'm just saying that Sheary was far better than he was given credit for around here.

Sheary is trash and needs to be shot into the sun along with Sobotka

 

[tsujimoto74]

Figured this might be the best place to ask.
When do sabre fans expect UPL to come into the nhl?

Full-time? 20-21 at the earliest. Probably 21-22. He had surgery this off-season, so I'm thinking they ease him into the AHL to start 19-20, splitting starts with Hammond. If he eventually earns the lion's share of starts, fantastic. Might see some time as an injury call-up, but Hammond can do spot duty in the NHL as well, so there's no need to rush him.

 

[Here4ThePopcorn]

Full-time? 20-21 at the earliest. Probably 21-22. He had surgery this off-season, so I'm thinking they ease him into the AHL to start 19-20, splitting starts with Hammond. If he eventually earns the lion's share of starts, fantastic. Might see some time as an injury call-up, but Hammond can do spot duty in the NHL as well, so there's no need to rush him.

Appreciate the heads up!
Don't know a lot about the sabers depth but UPL seemed like a monster in WJC so figured I should catch up on him

 

[Zman5778]

Sheary is trash and needs to be shot into the sun along with Sobotka

Sheary wasn't trash before. And I think Sobotka dragged him into the trash.

Sobotka should be fired into the sun. Sheary I think deserves another shot.

 

[Chainshot]

Sheary wasn't trash before. And I think Sobotka dragged him into the trash.

Sobotka should be fired into the sun. Sheary I think deserves another shot.

Sheary shoots a lot. Maybe he can handle shooting Sobotka and Scandella off-planet?

 

[Zman5778]

Sheary shoots a lot. Maybe he can handle shooting Sobotka and Scandella off-planet?

He'd miss.

 

[Chainshot]

He'd miss.

Well, then the would crash and that takes care of things too.

 

[Sabre the Win]

This kid has become my favorite with the Raptors hat.. bold move kid.

Toronto Raptors hat. Yikes!

you probably forgot what a winner looks like watching this clown show of an organization.

I almost did too with the Jay's and Sabres til I saw the Raptors and Eagles quench my thirst for glory then I realized how miserable and pathetic this organization has become being perpetual losers like the Jay's.

 

[Buffalo Norsemen]

Sheary shoots a lot. Maybe he can handle shooting Sobotka and Scandella off-planet?

If Sheary pretends he is playing the Pens every night he would have 50 pts.

 

[yahhockey]

While some are lamenting the lack of off season moves, what if the team's woes were mostly attributable to coaching and player usage? Maybe Krueger slots in one or more of the Amerks players while sending one or more vets to the press box that coupled with a new system leads to cohesion and wins. Maybe Botts has built a playoff team in disguise that simply needed a new captain to right the ship. Maybe. Hopefully. Please let this be the case.

 

[krt88nc]

Estimated AAV for 2021/2022 Season
Mitts = $2.25M
Tage = $1.75M
Reinhart = $8.25M
Montour = $6M
Dahlin = $11M
Pilut = $4M​

Any thoughts on those numbers?

Does Dahlin automatically go to the 11m aav figure or if there any possibility of a bridge say 2 / 15m and then the big 12 m

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Does Dahlin automatically go to the 11m aav figure or if there any possibility of a bridge say 2 / 15m and then the big 12 m

Going by the recent trends he probably pushes for something like 5 years, which is the least favorable scenario. Two would be an interesting curve ball...I agree, he’d get around 15 or 16 million for that term.

I like the idea. Might be a way to avoid the crunch as much that season? But could make some of those UFA years more expensive..

 

[Sabre Dance]

Did Sheary get any time with Skinner - Eichel or Eichel - Reinhart?

 

[tsujimoto74]

He'd miss.

Wherever he can get 'em to

 

[Husko]

Did Sheary get any time with Skinner - Eichel or Eichel - Reinhart?

He actually didn't play any meaningful time with Skinner, at al.

As for Eichel/Reinhart, that was his third most common combo, comprising 9.35% of his time. It yielded just 3 Sheary points all season. By far his most common usage was with Mitts and Okposo at 15.43% (5 points).

 

[Husko]

While we're on the topic of line combos...

Skinner-Eichel-Reinhart was 44% of Eichel's ES time, it yielded 18 Eichel points.

Skinner-Eichel-Pominville was 19% of Eichel's ES time, it yielded 18 Eichel points.

Sheary-Eichel were together 12% of Eichel's ES time, it yielded 1 Eichel point.

 

[Zman5778]

While we're on the topic of line combos...

Skinner-Eichel-Reinhart was 44% of Eichel's ES time, it yielded 18 Eichel points.

Skinner-Eichel-Pominville was 19% of Eichel's ES time, it yielded 18 Eichel points.

Sheary-Eichel were together 12% of Eichel's ES time, it yielded 1 Eichel point.

What the what? Skinner and Eichel were only a thing for 63% of Eichel's ES ice time? That strikes me as incredibly low......(unless there's another RW that spent some time with those 2 that I'm forgetting about or blocking)

 

[jc17]

Yeah i'd give sheary another chance.

Expecting him to drive play on mittelstadts wing was just another failure of phil.

He's a complimentary player. And not like pominville who can just ride along with top talent. I think he can contribute but has to be in the right spot.

I think right now we have drivers, complimentary, passengers, anchors

Drivers: dictate play
eichel, reinhart, skinner, dahlin

Complimentary: can add to the drivers, can't carry a line
Sheary, Larsson, erod, risto, pilut, montour, miller,

Passengers: don't make those around them better or worse. Don't add to skill players but won't drag them down either.
Pominville last year, vesey, girgensons, okposo, McCabe,

Anchors: sobotka, scandella, hunwick

???:
Mojo, bogo, Olo(ffsson)

From my NHL 2001 experience we need to spread the drivers with complimentary and passengers and lose the anchors.

For me not having a great idea of what to expect from olofsson and mojo makes it hard to be confident in making lines

 

[Zman5778]

Expecting him to drive play on mittelstadts wing was just another failure of phil.

Was that ever an expectation though? And Casey and Sheary worked remarkably well together at the end of the season.

And I'm still hopeful that we'll be able to add Mitts to your "drivers" category soon. He showed signs of it last year.

 

[Husko]

What the what? Skinner and Eichel were only a thing for 63% of Eichel's ES ice time? That strikes me as incredibly low......(unless there's another RW that spent some time with those 2 that I'm forgetting about or blocking)

44.8	EICHEL,JACK - REINHART,SAM - SKINNER,JEFF
19.3	EICHEL,JACK - POMINVILLE,JASON - SKINNER,JEFF
7.1	EICHEL,JACK - REINHART,SAM - SHEARY,CONOR
5.9	EICHEL,JACK - OLOFSSON,VICTOR - REINHART,SAM
2.3	EICHEL,JACK - NYLANDER,ALEXANDER - SHEARY,CONOR
1.7	EICHEL,JACK - RODRIGUES,EVAN - SKINNER,JEFF
1.4	EICHEL,JACK - SHEARY,CONOR
1.4	EICHEL,JACK - REINHART,SAM
1.1	EICHEL,JACK - REINHART,SAM - SOBOTKA,VLADIMIR
0.9	EICHEL,JACK - OKPOSO,KYLE - SHEARY,CONOR

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