Salary Cap: 2019-20 How Can the Leafs Stay Under The Cap?

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  1. zeke

    zeke The Dube Abides

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    look at every elite team in the league.

    go to their page on capfriendly.

    and tell me how much they spend on their bottom 9 players.
     
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    and Kadri (replaced with a much cheaper young center). Then shift any remaining dollars to the D.
     
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    You think Marleau would turn down a chance to return to SJ to finish off his career? Marleau came to the leafs because they offered a three year deal while the rest of the league only offered two. So it shouldn't shock him when hes new sons bend over the gm for every penny possible that Dubas would come around asking to move him.

    This will play out one of two ways:
    1) Marleau @ 50% retention to SJ for picks
    2) Marleau to SJ for a 2-3m contract (Bottom pairing RHD Braun @ 3.8m a likely target).

    Anything to save 3m in cap space that can be used toward Kaps new deal. Browns 2.1 can be moved to accommodate Johnssons new 2.5-3m deal.
     
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    HamiltonNHL Window open for 5 years

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    He certainly has zero physical edge currently. I don't know if he is ... saving it, injured or scared
     
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    HamiltonNHL Window open for 5 years

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    Robidas island possible ?
     
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    Next year is the major issue. With Matthews at 11.6 (hate the term all you want but thats irrelevant for next seasons cap crunch), thats lower than most people have been speculating in their roster predicitions. Some sacrifices will have to be made, bridges will have to be signed, but with LTIR, hopefully no bonus overages (assuming we don't take on more salary this year), we will be under the cap with an incredibly competitive team next year.
     
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    First off it is almost 17 million if you use the LTIR for Horton which right now is on the cap cause we can.

    That being said, cap will be closer to 85 million when all is said and done. Projection was 83-85 million next season.

    Kapanen and Johnsson resign bridge deals for about 4-6 million combined. Lets say Johnsson on a 3 yr deal at 1.5 annually, and Kapanen on a 3 yr deal at 2.5 annually. That's roughly 4 million. That leaves you 13 to spend and 7 players to sign.

    Goat remains your 4th line center again, and you replace Lindholm at .925 with Moore at .748 next season on the 4th line wing. Brings you down to 6 players to sign with 12.25 to spend.

    You replace Hainsey on 3rd pairing with Rosen .785 cap hit. 11.5 to spend with 5 players to sign.

    Resign Ennis to a slight raise from .650 to .850 cap hit. 10.7 t0 spend with 4 players to sign.

    Trade Brown for picks at draft. Get another 2.10 back to cap. Brings it back up to 12.8 to spend on 5 players.

    Trade Zaitsev for picks in off season. Frees up another 4.5 bring cap figure up to 17.3 to spend on 6 players.

    Trade picks and prospects for Pesce. 4 million back on cap. 13.3 million to spend on 5 players.

    Resign Sparks to 2 yr 3 million contract. 11.9 million to spend on 4 players

    Liljegren plays bottom pairing with Rosen for a cost of .895. 11 million to spend on 3 players.

    Marchment plays 4th line wing for .625. 10.4 million to spend on 2 players.

    Re-sign Marner to contract average of 9.7 a season. .700 to spend on 1 player

    Holl as 7th dman for .650

    $50K left under cap

    Marleau-Matthews-Kapanen
    Hyman-Tavares-Marner
    Johnsson-Kadri-Nylander
    Moore-Goat-Marchment/Ennis

    Reilly-Pesce
    Dermott-Muzzin
    Rosen-Liljergren

    Holl

    Andersen
    Sparks
     
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    Relevant to what I just posted here: A bit of optimism, the 2015-16 Penguins

    The best teams rely on cheap depth. That's the way it's always been.

    With Horton on LTIR we're at $16.4 million. Zaitsev will definitely be gone, which frees up another $2-3 million. Let's call it $2.5 million (i.e., trade Zaitsev and find a $2 million replacement) so we're up to $18.9 million. Marner takes $10 million, leaving us with $8.9 million for four forwards, three defense, and a backup goalie if the team wants to carry 13F, 8D. Realistically that's unnecessary with the Marlies right down the road. Let's call it three forwards, two defense for a 12F, 7D roster.

    Three of those players are most like Moore ($775,000), Rosen ($750,000), and Liljegren ($894,000). Sparks is likely back around $800,000. That leaves us at about $5.7 million for Kapanen and Johnsson before even considering that Brown can be replaced by a <$1 million player from the Marlies, We can probably go even cheaper on Zaitsev's replacement. That right there would give us some flexibility for carrying extras.

    It's not the end of the world. Everything is going to be fine.
     
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    Bob McKenzie already posted something and the Leafs were fine, had like 2mil space and that included a 10+ deal for Marner
     
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    Assuming is bad...
     
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    shouldn't be tough both on pace for high 40's in points, show me what you can do next year and we will pay one of you more and move the other bit of a fire on who wants to take the big contract haha I know that's not going to happen.

    But seriously career highs of ~50 points aren't worth that much after 2,3 years in the league. OR we move one these 2 a really good depth players sure but depth players shouldn't be keep at all cost type players
     
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    I've probably seen 5 different rosters for next season coming in slightly above or below $83mil.

    To "enlighten" someone who seems to need constant enlightenment:

    Brown is gone for a cheaper 4th liner.

    If Marleau is back....Gardiner isn't.

    If Marleau AND Zaitsev is back...Gardiner isn't....and there's about $5mil to split between Kapanen and Johnsson or one of those 2 go and Brown stays.

    Any improvements come from moving a Zaitsev. Marleau's presence is directly tied to any chance we have at retaining Gardiner. Brown is insurance in case Kapanen or Johnsson try to play hard ball but one of the 3 has to go.
     
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    I doubt they do that to him. Im working on the assumption he is a leaf next year, small chance SJ and Marleau are interested in a reunion but SJ don't have a lot to gain by taking him back
     
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    The Jugheads on Morning Skate with Blair are saying the Leafs should have locked up Matthews for 8 years and then turn around and say the Leaf can’t re-sign anybody else because there is no cap room left. And they actually believe themselves
     
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    Boy is Dubas' face going to be red when he finds out there is a salary cap in the NHL.
     
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    We don't have any other C's though, so now we are using assets to get one. Unless Nylander moves to C, I think he can do it he always seems way more engaged at C but babcock doesn't really like him there and he is the coach, But if they did move nylande rto C and he did succeed A: his contract would instantly get a lot better to almost a steal and B: allow us to get cap space back for kadri
     
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    Can we lock this? I dont know why we need such misinformation right in the title...
     
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    Exactly. Here are some of ours:

    Moore - $775K
    Goat - $650K
    Sparks - $850K (estimate)
    Holl - $675K
    Dermott - $865K
    Ennis type - $650K
    Rosen - $750K

    We've been preparing for next year by signing some of the guys I mentioned above through next season. Those cheap deals are how you survive now.
     
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    I'll Bite

    Marleau (6.25) Matthews (11.634) Nylander (6.97)
    Hyman (2.25) Tavares (11) Marner (9.5)
    Johnson (2) Kadri (4.5) Kapanen (2.75)
    Moore (.775) Gauthier (.65) Bracco (.85)

    Reilly (5) Muzzin (4)
    Dermott (.85) Zaitsev (4.5)
    Rosen (.75) XXXXXX

    Andersen (5)
    Sparks (.8)
    Kessel (1.2)

    Thats 81.229

    Thats about 2 million to sign one D... If Marner wants 10.5 you have 1.75 left on an 83 million dollar deal. All you did was dump brown.....
    If we dump Marleau, GOLDEN. If we have to lose kapanen, I mean oh well I guess?

    Its not great, its not ideal
     
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    Seems like pretty wishful thinking. Marleau will just be a pal and help the Leafs out with their contract situation when he hasnt won a cup yet. He had a few runs in San Jose and they could never get over the hump. I highly doubt he just out of the goodness of his heart gives up his chance to win the cup in Toronto. A place where he has recently relocated his family and seems to love it.

    Its going to end up costing a decent player like Kadri, maybe Nylander, or Brown combined with someone else to clear some cap space if they need it, not Marleau. He completely controls his destiny with that NMC
     
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    Well, we didn’t get smart in past 24 hours so I don’t think you’ll get anywhere

    But...

    It’s as Obvious today as it was the day Tavares signed, someone may have to go.
    Marleau, Zaitsev and Nylander are strong candidates.
     
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    They don’t have to have 23 either. They can get by with 20.
     
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    It's fine, for now. Rielly and Anderssen change everything in 3 years or so. People don't complain about Matthews and Nylander because their contracts impact us today. We now know Marner will get a huge contract as well, fine as well. The problem is 4 years from now when you Rielly is up, we assume one of Sandin or Lilj will be a budding #1d. Dermott may be a legit #1D.

    We are getting mocked for highlighting a little foresight. We entered into this under the assumption we would keep the big 3 as core, that's likely done with now.
     
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    3 year period core
    Matthews 11.6 (5 years)
    Tavares 11 (6 years)
    Nylander 7 (5 years)
    Marner unknown 10 mil?
    Muzzin 4 (UFA) expect 6 or walk (take Marleau’s salary)
    Rielly 5 (3 years) expect 8
    Andersen 5 (2 years) expect 8
    Zaitsev 4.5 (4 years)

    8 players = around 66 million
    90 million cap? for 12-15 players. 24 mil.

    RFAs/UFAs during this time Kadri/Johnsson/Kapanen/Dermott/Hyman/Brown
     
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    Kadri gone
    Johnsson 4m
    Kappy 5m +
    Dermott 5m +
    Hyman gone
    Brown gone

    3 players 14m = 80m.
     
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