2019-20 General Lightning Discussion - Part 3: Uncharted

[Sky04]

Its going to end the same way as the NFL situation ended. You had the high end rich signed player contracts wanting reform and telling the lower end players to do this for the rest of the league. While the lower end players are going to lose out the money from sitting out and not playing. If all the players in PA get a vote, it will end with the lower end players deciding to take a fair deal rather than help a player like Panarin who's making 11.5M a year.

"We are in this together"

 

[These Are The Days]

The draft lottery is a farce

 

[Felonious Python]

The draft lottery is a farce

A while back there was talk that not all the teams wanted to even play. I could see the draft lottery being a bargaining chip.

I don't think the media explained the concept well enough (or enough) ahead of time.

 

[LightningStrikes]

Yzerman’s tank job in Detroit really paid off lul.

 

[BoltSTH]

SFY does no have a good track record with first round picks anyway.
The only really good pick was Vasi. The rest no longer with the club, except Cal Foote who may turn out to be a #4 D in the NHL.

2010 6th Brett Connolly (Part of Coburn trade)
2011 27th Namestnikov (Part of McD trade, Now with Avs)
2012 10th Koekkoek (now with Blackhawks)
2012 19th Vasilevskiy
2013 3rd Drouin (should have taken Jones, but at least he fixed it and swapped for Sergachev)
2014 19th DeAngelo (trade for a 2nd round pick,Hájek , part of the McD trade).
2015 none
2016 27th Howden (part of McD trade)
2017 14th Cal Foote (Maybe NHL next season. Too soon to judge).
2018 none
2019 27th Nolan Foote (part of Coleman trade)

 

[JoVel]

SFY does no have a good track record with first round picks anyway.
The only really good pick was Vasi. The rest no longer with the club, except Cal Foote who may turn out to be a #4 D in the NHL.

2010 6th Brett Connolly (Part of Coburn trade)
2011 27th Namestnikov (Part of McD trade, Now with Avs)
2012 10th Koekkoek (now with Blackhawks)
2012 19th Vasilevskiy
2013 3rd Drouin (should have taken Jones, but at least he fixed it and swapped for Sergachev)
2014 19th DeAngelo (trade for a 2nd round pick,Hájek , part of the McD trade).
2015 none
2016 27th Howden (part of McD trade)
2017 14th Cal Foote (Maybe NHL next season. Too soon to judge).
2018 none
2019 27th Nolan Foote (part of Coleman trade)

DeAngelo looks good for a 19 overall, and Namestnikov as not great as he is, is about what you'd expect from an average ~30 overall pick.

That Drouin pick stinks though. Hedman and Jones would be an insane 1-2 to have. Sergachev has all the potential in the world but let's be honest we could arguably have the two best D in the league.

 

[LightningStrikes]

Yeah they blew it with Jones. He was also the obvious pick given our lackluster defense at the time. Still boggles my mind.

 

[Five Alarm Fire]

I just wish we knew more about what was going on with Drouin and Cooper. When a guy is that talented, why not try to make the most of him? There had to have been better ways to integrate him into the lineup than sheltering him on a line with Boyle. He had an ego and an attitude, but you're telling me there was no better way of keeping him happy and engaged? I still think we stunted his development.

 

[DFC]

DeAngelo looks good for a 19 overall, and Namestnikov as not great as he is, is about what you'd expect from an average ~30 overall pick.

That Drouin pick stinks though. Hedman and Jones would be an insane 1-2 to have. Sergachev has all the potential in the world but let's be honest we could arguably have the two best D in the league.

I think Howden will justify his draft position too within a few years.

 

[DFC]

I just wish we knew more about what was going on with Drouin and Cooper. When a guy is that talented, why not try to make the most of him? There had to have been better ways to integrate him into the lineup than sheltering him on a line with Boyle. He had an ego and an attitude, but you're telling me there was no better way of keeping him happy and engaged? I still think we stunted his development.

At a certain point, keeping a diva happy is counter-productive.

 

[DFC]

Yzerman’s tank job in Detroit really paid off lul.

They're still a couple of tanks away. He basically built around Hedman here, and, to a lesser degree, Stamkos. Detroit doesn't have those pieces in place, so it's gonna take longer. TByzerman was also ahead of the curve when it came to drafting speed and skill, but other teams have caught on.

 

[TheDaysOf 04]

Yzerman’s tank job in Detroit really paid off lul.

Same for Ottawa who also had their eyes set on getting the 1st overall pick. Detroit and Ottawa are still going to come away with very good players but Lafreniere was the prize of the draft.

Definitely a sucky situation for Yzerman where you go from potentially taking who you want to having to wait to see who’s there at 4.

 

[Todd1a]

SFY does no have a good track record with first round picks anyway.
The only really good pick was Vasi. The rest no longer with the club, except Cal Foote who may turn out to be a #4 D in the NHL.

2010 6th Brett Connolly (Part of Coburn trade)
2011 27th Namestnikov (Part of McD trade, Now with Avs)
2012 10th Koekkoek (now with Blackhawks)
2012 19th Vasilevskiy
2013 3rd Drouin (should have taken Jones, but at least he fixed it and swapped for Sergachev)
2014 19th DeAngelo (trade for a 2nd round pick,Hájek , part of the McD trade).
2015 none
2016 27th Howden (part of McD trade)
2017 14th Cal Foote (Maybe NHL next season. Too soon to judge).
2018 none
2019 27th Nolan Foote (part of Coleman trade)

lol he sucked in round one for sure lol or Murray did

 

[Todd1a]

Steve Yzerman talks about the Red Wings slide to fourth in draft lottery

He could have stayed here he choose to leave and rebuild!

 

[HoseEmDown]

SFY does no have a good track record with first round picks anyway.
The only really good pick was Vasi. The rest no longer with the club, except Cal Foote who may turn out to be a #4 D in the NHL.

2010 6th Brett Connolly (Part of Coburn trade)
2011 27th Namestnikov (Part of McD trade, Now with Avs)
2012 10th Koekkoek (now with Blackhawks)
2012 19th Vasilevskiy
2013 3rd Drouin (should have taken Jones, but at least he fixed it and swapped for Sergachev)
2014 19th DeAngelo (trade for a 2nd round pick,Hájek , part of the McD trade).
2015 none
2016 27th Howden (part of McD trade)
2017 14th Cal Foote (Maybe NHL next season. Too soon to judge).
2018 none
2019 27th Nolan Foote (part of Coleman trade)

Connolly wasn't part of the Coburn trade, they were two separate transactions. We probably don't trade for Coburn without thr Connolly deal first but they aren’t connected. Connolly wasn't a good pick at 6 but he's a good player, probably goes 20th in a redraft so not a bust just underwhelming. Namestnikov was a good pick and player who would go higher in a redraft. Koekkoek was bad. Vasilevskiy great.

I get the Drouin pick. We just bought out Lecavalier, St. Louis was 38 and guys like Johnson, Palat and Killorn weren't established. Prospect wise Connolly wasn't showing enough, Panik wasn't either, Namestnikov wasn't expected to be a top 6 guy and Kucherov was in juniors. We needed high end offensive talent. Defensively I wouldn't say we were better set for the future but guys like Gudas and Barberio were trending well, we had just drafted 3 defenders in 2012. With Hedman they probably thought they could go without needing another pair pair D but a collection of ok ones, which we did for awhile, and that Stamkos couldn't carry the offense by himself, he couldn't but no forward is going to.

DeAngelo was a great pick they just gave up too quickly. Howden is too early to tell but for a late 1st he's already played more games and has more points than many guys in front of him. The rest you can't say since they haven't played an NHL game yet. The only outright bad pick is Koekkoek which is from an outright bad draft, that 1st round is littered with bad picks.

 

[TheFurryPickle]

DeAngelo looks good for a 19 overall, and Namestnikov as not great as he is, is about what you'd expect from an average ~30 overall pick.

That Drouin pick stinks though. Hedman and Jones would be an insane 1-2 to have. Sergachev has all the potential in the world but let's be honest we could arguably have the two best D in the league.

See bolded part, so thats Rutta and who ??

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Can we get these guys out of Florida before we get more positive tests?

 

[TheDaysOf 04]

Can we get these guys out of Florida before we get more positive tests?

There is something in the league memorandum that says phase 2 activities will be permitted only in places “where the applicable health authorities have sufficiently relaxed local restrictions to permit such gatherings.”

“In those jurisdictions which continue to restrict or prohibit such activity from occurring, and in order to address potential competitive concerns, the League will work with those Clubs to facilitate alternative arrangements, if desired,” and “Clubs who are unable to allow access to Players in your facility as contemplated by Phase 2 or who are concerned that their operations do not satisfy public health recommendations shall notify Bill Daly or Julie Grand, so that we can work with your Club to determine whether alternative arrangements are appropriate or necessary.”

So there is a way to move the Lightning to another location to continue phase 2. Depending how bad it gets in Tampa or if the league moves back it’s July 10th date for training camps, maybe that’s something somebody will look into.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

The draft lottery is a farce

The worst team in the league has a 50.9% chance to pick 4th overall. The lottery is designed be a lottery that doesn't help people who purposefully tank. It's doing its job perfectly fine.

 

[Sky04]

The worst team in the league has a 50.9% chance to pick 4th overall. The lottery is designed be a lottery that doesn't help people who purposefully tank. It's doing its job perfectly fine.

Much better than before, no one tanks a season for only an 18% chance at the top pick.

 

[Sky04]

The Drouin pick is only bad in hindsight but there was no way you could predict his attitude from his draft year, Jones on the other hand was a known diva which was part of the reason he was passed down so far despite being the #1 ranked prospect entering the draft and throughout the entire year.

We had no high-end playmaking forward prospect at the time, MSL was close to retirement while there was Hedman on the backend and they took Koekkoek at 12 the year before that.

 

[Sky04]

lol he sucked in round one for sure lol or Murray did

If Murray gets the credit for draft steals then he gets the ding for horrible first round picks too.

 

[These Are The Days]

The worst team in the league has a 50.9% chance to pick 4th overall. The lottery is designed be a lottery that doesn't help people who purposefully tank. It's doing its job perfectly fine.

We literally have a lottery because someone claimed an expansion team was too much suck in 1992 and their reward was the biggest bust of all time. Who even tanks anymore or cares? Imagine having the worst team year after year because you legitimately suck and are completely incapable of rebuilding because you can't get ping pong balls to cooperate? Blind luck should not determine the direction of a sports team. The franchise itself ought to be able to. You better pray to whoever you believe in we never become as legitimately bad as we were in the 90'a again and year after year we cannot rebuild because "f*** you the balls say nawwww LULZ"

This isn't the NBA where even winning McDavid on a fluke means you're going to the promised land. The Sabres could've gotten him and they'd still suck ass.

 

[HoseEmDown]

Can we get these guys out of Florida before we get more positive tests?

Why? It's better for them to get this now and have the antibodies. This isn't going away anytime soon so most likely these guys will get it at some point. The playoffs aren't starting for awhile and we don't play in the opening part, these guys will have had plenty of time to recover, if they even have symptoms, by getting it now.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Why? It's better for them to get this now and have the antibodies. This isn't going away anytime soon so most likely these guys will get it at some point. The playoffs aren't starting for awhile and we don't play in the opening part, these guys will have had plenty of time to recover, if they even have symptoms, by getting it now.

This is very debatable. There could be lasting cardiovascular effects