Speculation: 2019-20 Expected Blackhawks Roster Part 4 - To Eberle or Not to Eberle - that is the question..

[RayP]

Vermette was actually like 60% at the dot. He was 72% Anaheim series and on.

Jesus. I knew he was great but 72% for a long series is absurd especially since I’m sure he took a ton of draws.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

WAR just doesn’t work for hockey.

Hard pass on Kovalchuk.

BWC keeping that spin spinning. Remember he wanted us to sell in 15.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Wasn't Vermette scratched for like a 21 year old Nordstrom at the time? Vermette was like 60% at the dot and could PK, so even if he wasn't scoring he was still valuable elsewhere. Nordstrom at that time brought pretty much nothing positive to the table. It was a terrible scratching no matter how you look at it.

He scratched Vermette and Teuvo for a broken Kris Versteeg and Nordstrom.

 

[BK]

WAR just doesn’t work for hockey.

Hard pass on Kovalchuk.

BWC keeping that spin spinning. Remember he wanted us to sell in 15.

This (about WAR).

 

[JaegerDice]

I’ve been firmly on board the ‘do not sign Dzingel’ train for awhile, and he’s done nothing to change my mind in the playoffs or even since the TDL, really.

EDIT: I mean, if you can get him for 4mil or less, then great, do it. But highly unlikely he settles for his actual worth im UFA. Few do.

 

[EbonyRaptor]

I’ve been firmly on board the ‘do not sign Dzingel’ train for awhile, and he’s done nothing to change my mind in the playoffs or even since the TDL, really.

EDIT: I mean, if you can get him for 4mil or less, then great, do it. But highly unlikely he settles for his actual worth im UFA. Few do.

I'm with you - Dzingel has been pretty disappointing since the TDL and even worse in the playoffs. He's been a better player in his career so maybe he's hurt? Regardless - I wouldn't invest too much to sign him.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Does WAR work for any sport besides baseball?

 

[Kevin Musto]

Lol at everyone here who still wants to defend Gustav Forsling as a top 4 defender.

 

[RayP]

Lol at everyone here who still wants to defend Gustav Forsling as a top 4 defender.

Lol at anyone who takes hockey and WAR seriously.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Lol at anyone who takes hockey and WAR seriously.

I don't take WAR seriously. I'm not John Chayka. But even if the stats are wonky, coming out dead last in the league is pretty telling.

 

[CallMeShaft]

WAR stats are shit.

Forsling is, at minimal, better than Dahlstrom and Koekoek. Yet he's somehow the worst of those three according to WAR? Seabrook isn't any better at this point (better offensively sure, but damn does he get skated around a lot in games).

 

[BK]

I don't take WAR seriously. I'm not John Chayka. But even if the stats are wonky, coming out dead last in the league is pretty telling.

It’s not when the stat is a joke.

 

[ClydeLee]

WAR stats are ****.

Forsling is, at minimal, better than Dahlstrom and Koekoek. Yet he's somehow the worst of those three according to WAR? Seabrook isn't any better at this point (better offensively sure, but damn does he get skated around a lot in games).

Even in baseball judgments on war stats without context is poor. Lineup orders can make a guy fit better playing next to the stud teams avoid, etc.

But you look at the contexts of their seasons who is going to look better and what actyal elements are you judging? What is gonna show up negative of a guy in defensive role who while is still bad there, had net positives IN Dahlstrom. But there's context like that.

But a lot of the hawks bad d results were bad and dragged at the lowest all year and a result of everyone being bad. But guys who joined later like Dahlstrom/Koekkoek wont show up as bad because they joined later in the year and the team played better.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Forsling is, at minimal, better than Dahlstrom and Koekoek

If your comparison for Forsling is Dahlstrom or Koekkoek, you're setting the bar real low.

All 3 of them should be at most a 7thD. Anything more and it's evident you've got a weak group.

I don't want to see any of those guys in a top 6 role next year.

Keith-Jokiharju
Byram-Murphy
?-Seabrook

Stan needs to find someone in the offseason who can carry KFCeabs.

 

[Rolo]

If your comparison for Forsling is Dahlstrom or Koekkoek, you're setting the bar real low.

All 3 of them should be at most a 7thD. Anything more and it's evident you've got a weak group.

I don't want to see any of those guys in a top 6 role next year.

Keith-Jokiharju
Byram-Murphy
?-Seabrook

Stan needs to find someone in the offseason who can carry KFCeabs.

I think Matt Gryzelcyk could

 

[Kevin Musto]

I think Matt Gryzelcyk could

I forgot Gus exists...

But yeah Grzelcyk could work.

 

[CallMeShaft]

If your comparison for Forsling is Dahlstrom or Koekkoek, you're setting the bar real low.

All 3 of them should be at most a 7thD. Anything more and it's evident you've got a weak group.

I don't want to see any of those guys in a top 6 role next year.

Keith-Jokiharju
Byram-Murphy
?-Seabrook

Stan needs to find someone in the offseason who can carry KFCeabs.

I'm saying the stat is inherently flawed because two players, on the same team as Forsling, were much worse players.

Forsling looked good, to my eyes and to the eyes of most others here, his last month or so of the season. He's 22, will re-sign for cheap, and will likely help bolster our defensive group next year.

Moronic stats be damned.

 

[BK]

I'm saying the stat is inherently flawed because two players, on the same team as Forsling, were much worse players.

Forsling looked good, to my eyes and to the eyes of most others here, his last month or so of the season. He's 22 and will re-sign for cheap and will likely help bolster our defensive group next year.

Moronic stats be damned.

This.

 

[JaegerDice]

I have a lot of problems with WAR as a stat, but listing Forsling as a bad defensemen wouldn't be one of the issues I’d use to bury it. He has been bad. Real bad.

For those who still like him, you’re in luck. Every indication is that the Blackhawks agree with you. Or at the very least, arent ready to give up on him yet.

Personally, I think he peaks at a #4. If everything goes right. More likely he’s replaceable. Which is fine. Lord knows we didnt lose much to get him.

 

[Geoist]

GET players who can play DEFENSE and complement our core.

People keep saying this, but they don’t say who.

 

[Pez68]

Lol at everyone here who still wants to defend Gustav Forsling as a top 4 defender.

LOL at anyone that thinks a statistic that somehow has Seabrook better than Forsling has any credibility. And I haven't even been a fan of Forsling.

 

[BK]

I have a lot of problems with WAR as a stat, but listing Forsling as a bad defensemen wouldn't be one of the issues I’d use to bury it. He has been bad. Real bad.

For those who still like him, you’re in luck. Every indication is that the Blackhawks agree with you. Or at the very least, arent ready to give up on him yet.

Personally, I think he peaks at a #4. If everything goes right. More likely he’s replaceable. Which is fine. Lord knows we didnt lose much to get him.

It is almost like you didn’t watch the last month of the season...

 

[Esq]

WAR stats are ****.

Forsling is, at minimal, better than Dahlstrom and Koekoek. Yet he's somehow the worst of those three according to WAR? Seabrook isn't any better at this point (better offensively sure, but damn does he get skated around a lot in games).

Forsling is easily better than Dahlstrom.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Agree with that Esq

Dahlstrom performance declined sharply as year progressed and honestly I don't see what is so appealing about his game to some people on this board