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Like I told hbk at the last draft, it's fascinating, but I'd be a lot more comfortable if my team was not the guinea pig. Wouldn't mind getting off the ride now.
Prospect Info: 2019 #11 - Brynas IF Gavle (SweHL) D Victor Soderstrom
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Like I told hbk at the last draft, it's fascinating, but I'd be a lot more comfortable if my team was not the guinea pig. Wouldn't mind getting off the ride now.
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@Art.Vandelay at least Gormley was a faller that dropped in our laps after injury. We didn't say he was third on our list and trade up for him!
At 14, this would just be grumbling depending on who was there. When you trade a second on draft day have Krebs, Caufield, Boldey, et al sitting there, and then tell me you had him pegged on 3 so far above everyone else that you've been trying to trade up since 6-7 offering more than a second...
You absolutely cannot miss on this prospect. This will be bad even if he's a top4D.
Nothing about their selections or subsequent actions regarding Keller, Domi, Strome, Chychrun leads me to believe for a half second that they have a (successful) revolutionary new metric to guide them.
Keller has been okay, but not phenomenal. It's not like they reached and took Debrincat early and it paid off.
Chychrun has been okay. Lots of potential, but hasn't been amazing (aside from heal time related to his frequent injuries!).
Traded out of a #7 pick for a guy who looks like he's 42 all of a sudden. Misused amd abused Domi and Strome, took unprofessional "hope" pot shots at Strome on his way out,as though they'd done everything possible to help him succeed only to have both those guys immediately blowup.
I just have zero faith in their ability to identify, use, and develop talent right now. And the fact they get crushes on people and go over pay to get them as a cherry on top scares me to no end.
ETA: none of this means Soderstrom is a bad prospect. But they clearly think they are the smartest guys on the draft floor-- he needs to be a franchise player or in the conversation for top three best players in the 2019 draft for me to have any faith that they aren't deluding themselves.
At 14, this would just be grumbling depending on who was there. When you trade a second on draft day have Krebs, Caufield, Boldey, et al sitting there, and then tell me you had him pegged on 3 so far above everyone else that you've been trying to trade up since 6-7 offering more than a second...
You absolutely cannot miss on this prospect. This will be bad even if he's a top4D.
Nothing about their selections or subsequent actions regarding Keller, Domi, Strome, Chychrun leads me to believe for a half second that they have a (successful) revolutionary new metric to guide them.
Keller has been okay, but not phenomenal. It's not like they reached and took Debrincat early and it paid off.
Chychrun has been okay. Lots of potential, but hasn't been amazing (aside from heal time related to his frequent injuries!).
Traded out of a #7 pick for a guy who looks like he's 42 all of a sudden. Misused amd abused Domi and Strome, took unprofessional "hope" pot shots at Strome on his way out,as though they'd done everything possible to help him succeed only to have both those guys immediately blowup.
I just have zero faith in their ability to identify, use, and develop talent right now. And the fact they get crushes on people and go over pay to get them as a cherry on top scares me to no end.
ETA: none of this means Soderstrom is a bad prospect. But they clearly think they are the smartest guys on the draft floor-- he needs to be a franchise player or in the conversation for top three best players in the 2019 draft for me to have any faith that they aren't deluding themselves.
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Gormley skated like a drunken donkey chopping wood with a bowling pin. Soderstrom’s skating is beautiful.
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Gretzky would have taken Turris over Kane by all reports at the time.
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Me, too, if you remember, for additional context haha
But even Gretzky didn't trade up to get him. If he traded up and left Kane on the board behind him, I'm pretty sure we'd rightly call that a disaster in retrospect.
If something like that happens here, it sets us back and it probably ends Chayka's brief stint in management.
If Wayne traded up from 14 to 6 and took Logan Couture or Ian Cole (who both went later) and declares they were #3 on their list and they weren't leaving the draft without him, then Ian Cole needs to be in the conversation for top 3 pick, in retrospect. Hit on Couture, maybe. Missing on Ian Cole gets you tossed out on your ass.
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Like it or not Chayka has already moved all the chips into the center of the table, there's little point to folding now.
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IIRC Gormley was starting to look like he was developing into a good player when he reinjured himself badly - and after that he was never the same. His injuries made him a tentative player, and that killed his career.
I've been worried that the same thing might happen to Chychrun because of how he always seems to get hurt playing the game that makes him effective. But if Soderstrom is indeed OEL 2.0, we won't have to worry too much about that - that kind of game, like Yandle's, seems to avoid those kinds of career-altering injury trajectories.
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Bringing up Gormley just reminds me of all the missed opportunities. Drafted immediately after Gormely: Jaden Schwartz. Two picks later: Vladimir Tarasenko 
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Blues drafted both of those guys. Shows what good team management can do.
. Blues drafted both of those guys. Shows what good team management can do.
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That’s right. Gormley’s mobility when from passable to appalling due to injury. In draft year and D+1 seasons his lateral mobility was quite good, especially dancing along the blue line on the PP. He was never able to get on his horse and gallop but he was good at least in quickness with the man advantage which helps him set up plays well. He reminded me exactly of Tomas Kaberle when he would run a PP. As soon as Gormley stopped being able to do that, his floor dropped from PP specialist to total bust.
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@PhoPhan wad a huge Jaden Schwartz supporter that year. Several of us liked Schwartz but none of us were disappointed when the highly rated Gormley fell to us. We were all overjoyed. Except @PhoPhan who stubbornly still wanted Schwartz. We thought he was crazy. Now look. Haha.Bringing up Gormley just reminds me of all the missed opportunities. Drafted immediately after Gormely: Jaden Schwartz. Two picks later: Vladimir Tarasenko
Blues drafted both of those guys. Shows what good team management can do.
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Obviously he's no Gormley with skating, but I'm not sure I see an elite skater though. Time will tell though to be fair
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From one Swede to another.....
Coyotes captain Oliver Ekman-Larsson has taken rookie Victor Soderstrom under his wing
Coyotes captain Oliver Ekman-Larsson has taken rookie Victor Soderstrom under his wing
I'm expecting Tucson (and a call up later in the season). Hoping for Glendale (which means he has to really impress). Wouldn't bother me if he did go back to Sweden. I like the Swedish connection.
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