RemoAZ
Let it burn
I still feel like we need one more move for a legit top 6 rw. Panik and some futures to upgrade that spot.
I still feel like we need one more move for a legit top 6 rw. Panik and some futures to upgrade that spot.
Panik of last season already produced at a top 6 clip. There's a good chance you're not really getting an actual upgrade, given the available budget and trade ammo.
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As odd as this sounds, are we souring on Chychrun considering in two years, he has now missed a combined 46 games? ...
Chychrun has had tough luck.
With a big roster, it is to expected someone has tough luck.
If you sour on Chychrun for being that guy, I sure hope you are not thinking the same as Chayka or Tocchet.
I'm not against Chychrun at all, but I don't really see what so many of us like about him. Is he really a potential 1st pair defensman? I hope so, but I haven't seen the hints of that kind of potential. As to his injuries, I suspect he just got them out of his system and he won't have any more.
I don’t think we would get much for Chychrun now because of the knee injuries. He is also still not proven, maybe a top 4D now maybe not. I think he needs to have a good year and stay injury free for his value to go up. I am glad our D is deeper, we will have injuries. I don’t see Chayka moving Chychrun at this time.That's a fair statement. I think we all like Chychrun as a 2nd pairing D with potential for top pairing (which isn't going to happen in the next 8 years). But what does it also say when Oesterle averaged the 2nd most minutes at D for the Blackhawks last year? If our left side is that strong with OEL, Goligoski, and Chychrun, it seems like we would add someone slightly less significant than that, no? Unless something else was in the works. Could even be prep work to have a player like this to expose for the expansion draft down the line, or to cover whomever it is that we may lose in the expansion draft. It just seems like there is more writing behind this move and Hinostroza wasn't just the main piece in this deal.
I don’t think we would get much for Chychrun now because of the knee injuries. He is also still not proven, maybe a top 4D now maybe not. I think he needs to have a good year and stay injury free for his value to go up. I am glad our D is deeper, we will have injuries. I don’t see Chayka moving Chychrun at this time.
I agree, and think we would or could trade Chychrun given our LHD depth. I just think his injuries kill his value for now. That could change by the TDL or next summer assuming he has recovered from his injuries and produces.That's kind of why I asked the question in the first place. We may see the injuries, see the rehab progress and say that while we still think he is a good player, another team may not look as deep into injury history and might have a different value on Chychrun than what we put on him. Maybe since rehab appears to be going fine, we are using that as a less likely approach to entertain offers.
As was said before, sometimes you have to give value to get value. If a one-for-one trade of very good value came up (who is the RW equivalent of what Chychrun could become - Eberle?). If the Islanders are ignoring the knee injuries and past other injuries, but we have some idea that Chychrun may be far less likely to reach and stay at his potential value b/c of those same injuries (i.e. his expected longevity goes from 8 years to 5 years) and Eberle is willing to sign a friendly deal for 4-5 years, maybe that is something that would be strongly considered.
At this moment right now, I agree that we don't trade Chychrun, but let's say we come out of camp seeing that both Oesterle and Lyubushkin are not significant drop-offs from Chychrun and Capobianco also puts himself in a position to see much more time than originally thought, maybe it crosses into our mind.
Not with RT as coach. Chychrun has been amazing considering his age and playing a difficult position. He is still a kid, learning and progressing as he goes. Injuries happen, I just hope he is not injury prone, but if he can go through this year with no injuries his development and value should sky rocket.I agree, and think we would or could trade Chychrun given our LHD depth. I just think his injuries kill his value for now. That could change by the TDL or next summer assuming he has recovered from his injuries and produces.
Absolute no on trading Chychrun. You trade every other LHD, minus OEL, before Chychrun. Why this is even being discussed is beyond me.
Absolute no on trading Chychrun. You trade every other LHD, minus OEL, before Chychrun. Why this is even being discussed is beyond me.
Strome and Galchenyuk are complete wild cards. Hayton has showed barely more than your typically mid-late first rounder. Dvorak has a lot more potential but we need to see him flash it at this level. What if Galchenyuk looks great at C, Strome starts dropping points left and right, Dvorak starts to look like ROR and Hayton blows the doors off the OHL next year?
We threw a bunch of **** at the wall to see what stuck. Can you please just wait to see if any of it does before you go slinging more ****. Just wait one season.
Wonder what the Coyotes would need to add to trade for a signed Trouba?
A major issue with Trouba is that he wants to live in the US. His Father has a criminal record and can't enter Canada which us an issue for the player. Agent is still a pain and I don't personally feel he has earned the $7 million contract he wants.I like him, but don't really want to pay the price (RD is a need, but not a gaping hole) plus this is twice now where he and his agent have been sort of a pain to deal with. The contract holdout two years ago and this year's arbitration. Plus he's eligible for arbitration again next summer. Just not worth the pain. Same agent as Mike Smith FWIW.
Wait. The answer is obviously to wait.Like I said - if Chychrun winds up missing 25 more games, how concerned do we become about him? To a lesser degree, that could be a Hanzal scenario all over again. Yes, he is helpful when on the ice, but he isn't on the ice enough to be a meaningful presence.
I understand what you're saying (i.e. just slinging ****), but the reality is that everything needs a contingency plan. What if Hayton was taken at #4, what was our contingency plan then? Take Tkachuk? Trade the pick? Take Zadina? Take the next best C in Veleno? Is it possible that one of the plusses for getting Oesterle and picking up Lyubushkin was the contingency plan that Chychrun could simply be injury prone, and it may be something on the minds of the people in charge? While it doesn't guarantee that we would move forward with trading Chychrun any more than keeping him and seeing how he recovers, it is a part of the contingency plan so that we don't fall off a cliff when/if Chychrun (or any other D, for that matter) misses time.
Wait. The answer is obviously to wait.