Huh you're right, I must be smoking crack because I swear there was some sort of system like I described in place for Stamkos his rookie year, maybe it was very limited ice time initially instead of full on not playing or something similar. I literally had lunch with the Lightning assistant coach that season and he told me about it.
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The owner wanted to market Stamkos and have him on the roster. Melrose didn't think he was ready. So Melrose "Tippet'ed" him. He dressed most games, but he was getting fourth line minutes and his production was bad. Melrose got canned midseason. Stamkos did get better as the year went on.
Melrose says the owners were constantly in his ear. There was a lot of carping back and forth in the media even after he got fired.
That's how Tocchet ended up with the headcoach title in Tampa, actually.
Melrose says the owners were constantly in his ear. There was a lot of carping back and forth in the media even after he got fired.
That's how Tocchet ended up with the headcoach title in Tampa, actually.
I get why RT sat Hayton and gave a chance for Fischer, Crouse, Garland etc. to hold onto their spot, but if RT believes Hayton will be so good on the PP, an area where we all know is pathetic at best, why didn't he play him the first game? Yet, RT keeps on putting out Fischer on the PP where he demonstrated last year he is not capable of such a role.
I guess because our PP is firing on all 1 cylinder, he couldn't find a place for Hayton.
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Yeah Jakey53, with the plug fouled...I guess because our PP is firing on all 1 cylinder, he couldn't find a place for Hayton.
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Would it make any difference if I noted that we're only 2 games in and have time to see how the team plays out?
Not sure if that will work or not, but at least RT is trying something different and not waiting like last year.
This is true, but RT has basically the same players as last year on the PP except Kessel. You win most games if your special teams are better than the other teams, so I see no harm in changing up the PP early if it's still not clicking like last year. If we can get our PP going we will be in the playoffs because our PK is so good.
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Probably because certain players were doing specific things. Granted, I don't know a whole lot about Cousins' game, but he seems like the type of player that would consistently move his feet and go after loose pucks, relative to other players. That was why he saw PP time ahead of others and was one of the players who stepped in due to injury absence.
Seeing as we are a) healthy and b) more talented at forward, we can move pieces around with a little more latitude.
FWIW, I am maybe taking a 40,000 foot view here, but I see a very good team that just hasn't scored goals. I like everything about the way we have played, pushed the pace, etc. Even the mistakes that led to goals weren't mistakes as a result of not trying, but rather going 100% on a bad read (specifically referring to the play against Anaheim). I think that we have been way better than the win and point totals indicate, so let's see where we are at. There is a "sky is falling" mentality that I am not 100% certain is warranted at this point in time.
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I just don't understand. He's either ready to get in games, or we should send him back. This is frankly stupid. "You earned a 13th forward slot-- congratulations".Tocchet says Hayton is "really close" to starting a game.
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Apparently he wasn't ready last week? Makes zero sense. He wasn't ready by the end of camp, but watching two more games from the stands made him NHL-ready? It's dumb, no matter how you slice it.
They handed a guy a roster spot even though they didn't think he was ready after camp. Or he was ready, but not actually a better option than Schmaltz who looks like ass or Fischer and Garland and co who are hardly inspiring at the moment?
They handed a guy a roster spot even though they didn't think he was ready after camp. Or he was ready, but not actually a better option than Schmaltz who looks like ass or Fischer and Garland and co who are hardly inspiring at the moment?
Sigh. Everything has to happen immediately. Crying because he didn’t play 2 games to start the season just seems like we are making stuff up to be outraged at this point.
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I'm not crying. It's two games. Two games I don't think he's ready for either. But it's still stupid. Was he ready last week? If not, why did he make the roster? He's "almost ready" now? What changed in watching two games from the stands?
It's dumb. If he goes on and plays 80 great games, I'll still wonder with everyone else why he didn't play the first two.
It's dumb. If he goes on and plays 80 great games, I'll still wonder with everyone else why he didn't play the first two.
Maybe Chayka needed to validate himself and forced Hayton on the roster seeing as how he is a genius in his own mind at drafting players. RT might be in the camp that he isn't one of the top 12 forwards right now, so he sits, and might sit some more until there is an injury, assuming we win soon. If we keep losing, anyone can play then, have to try something.
Hayton wasn't good enough to make the team as a regular out of camp, maybe they are going to let him play up to the 9 game stint, that could be the likely outcome. I'm all for Hayton getting a chance soon and sticking on the roster this year as a regular, thats what I hope anyway.
Hayton wasn't good enough to make the team as a regular out of camp, maybe they are going to let him play up to the 9 game stint, that could be the likely outcome. I'm all for Hayton getting a chance soon and sticking on the roster this year as a regular, thats what I hope anyway.
Or maybe Hayton has had more on his plate than any other player coming into this season as he's both coming in as a rookie, learning the NHL game, and trying to learn the team-specific style of play. During training camp and preseason his goal was the show he has what it takes to play in the NHL this season. There was probably less of an expectation that he get the team system and line chemistry down up through that point, and this extra week or practicing with the team before making his debut is still quite reasonable.
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Can y'all have some margaritas and chill out? It's been two games.
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