Salary Cap: 2014-15-Happy Thoughts

[InjuredChoker]

milan michalek's knees have been going dan cleary route for a while.

 

[Frk It]

It's really too bad we already have such a small group of forwards. Pulkkinen would be a great addition to the team, and he would be a WEAPON on the PP.

We have too many lame shots on the point on the PP. Not that accurate, and they don't pack a punch.

Adding Pulkkinen gives us a RH bomb, and would give us 2 units with a righty on the point.

If we were willing to "go all Montreal on em"

Bottom 6 of

Tatar-Helm-Pulkkinen
Abdelkader-Sheahan-Ferraro

PP units of

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Franzen (Franzen screener)
Kronwall-Alfredsson

Tatar-Sheahan-Nyquist (Sheahan screener)
Smith-Pulkkinen

I prefer Pulkkinen, but since they're probably against bringing up another small forward, we could do the same thing but with Marchenko in Pulkks spot on the PP.

Again I prefer Pulkks because his shot is a bomb, and when he has time back there on the point with the space from being a man up, I think he would thrive on the PP.

 

[JmanWingsFan]

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($7.500m) / Anthony Mantha ($0.925m)
Tomas Tatar ($1.000m) / Stephen Weiss ($4.900m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($5.000m)
Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Riley Sheahan ($0.975m) / Tomas Jurco ($0.709m)
Gustav Nyquist ($0.950m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Landon Ferraro ($0.950m)
Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m) / Mitchell Callahan ($0.605m)
DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Dan Boyle ($6.000m)
Danny DeKeyser ($2.500m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($4.250m)
Xavier Ouellet ($0.670m) / Brendan Smith ($1.263m)
Brian Lashoff ($0.725m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($5.292m)
Petr Mrazek ($0.595m)
BUYOUTS
Carlo Colaiacovo ($0.000m)
BURIED
Jordin Tootoo ($0.975m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,496,212; BONUSES: $635,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $6,603,788

Redid to include Nyquist (I was screwing around with trades, forgot him last time).

Still: EMBRACE THE YOUTH MOVEMENT.

 

[TatarTangle]

^ If those lines are correct you may as well trade Abdelkader for a draft pick. He gets a lot of flak here but he can help teams. He's certainly an everyday player.

 

[Frk It]

^ If those lines are correct you may as well trade Abdelkader for a draft pick. He gets a lot of flak here but he can help teams. He's certainly an everyday player.

There's no way those lines are correct.

He has Nyquist on the 4th line. Babcock has played him on the 1st line mostly this year, even when we were healthy. Also there's no way in hell both Mantha and Jurco start out in Detroit, I'll bet whatever on it.

 

[JmanWingsFan]

There's no way those lines are correct.

He has Nyquist on the 4th line. Babcock has played him on the 1st line mostly this year, even when we were healthy. Also there's no way in hell both Mantha and Jurco start out in Detroit, I'll bet whatever on it.

Those lines are indeed correct, and you're thinking from a traditional point of view, and being narrowminded. This isn't the traditional scoring lines/grinding lines. This is Chicago/LA styled deep lineups that have four scoring lines. This is traditional Red Wings 4 lines of deep two-way players lineup.

And yes, I will take that bet that Mantha and Jurco will be playing. They've given neither Holland or Babcock an excuse to hold them back in the AHL with their play. Utterly baseless and illogical attacks aside, Holland isn't going to be looking to re-sign Cleary or Samuelsson and create a logjam with this many young kids ready. They're ready, and they all fit the type of person Babcock wants on his team, big and skilled.

 

[Frk It]

Those lines are indeed correct, and you're thinking from a traditional point of view, and being narrowminded. This isn't the traditional scoring lines/grinding lines. This is Chicago/LA styled deep lineups that have four scoring lines. This is traditional Red Wings 4 lines of deep two-way players lineup.

And yes, I will take that bet that Mantha and Jurco will be playing. They've given neither Holland or Babcock an excuse to hold them back in the AHL with their play. Utterly baseless and illogical attacks aside, Holland isn't going to be looking to re-sign Cleary or Samuelsson and create a logjam with this many young kids ready. They're ready, and they all fit the type of person Babcock wants on his team, big and skilled.

Sorry Jman, didn't mean to come across as attacking your point of view.

I actually would love to have the players you listed all on the team, would have a ton of skill top to bottom. I just don't see it being what is actually going to happen. Babcock loves grinders and forecheckers and you don't have many.

Also yes I will bet anything you want that both Jurco and Mantha don't start on the Wings for the 14-14 season. We'd be incredibly lucky just to have Jurco.

 

[Flowah]

Sorry Jman, didn't mean to come across as attacking your point of view.

I actually would love to have the players you listed all on the team, would have a ton of skill top to bottom. I just don't see it being what is actually going to happen. Babcock loves grinders and forecheckers and you don't have many.

Also yes I will bet anything you want that both Jurco and Mantha don't start on the Wings for the 14-14 season. We'd be incredibly lucky just to have Jurco.

Yeah, a prospect for the Wings skipping the AHL? Yeeeeah right. At the very least, he will start down there and get a callup and maybe earn a permanent spot, but no way he starts with the Wings.

Plus, we have so many forwards next year, even if all we do is re-sign Tatar. No way Mantha just gets a spot. Hell, there's hardly room for Jurco as the 13th forward. And it only gets worse if we bring Alfie back (which I would like, a right handed shot who produces at a good clip. Yes pls)

 

[Run the Jewels]

Yeah, a prospect for the Wings skipping the AHL? Yeeeeah right. At the very least, he will start down there and get a callup and maybe earn a permanent spot, but no way he starts with the Wings.

Plus, we have so many forwards next year, even if all we do is re-sign Tatar. No way Mantha just gets a spot. Hell, there's hardly room for Jurco as the 13th forward. And it only gets worse if we bring Alfie back (which I would like, a right handed shot who produces at a good clip. Yes pls)

If we bring Alfie back it has got to be as a PP specialist who gets token EVS minutes. He's too fragile to play big minutes and if we have learned anything the past few seasons it's that relying on older players isn't a recipe for success.

 

[The Zermanator]

It's really too bad we already have such a small group of forwards. Pulkkinen would be a great addition to the team, and he would be a WEAPON on the PP.

We have too many lame shots on the point on the PP. Not that accurate, and they don't pack a punch.

Adding Pulkkinen gives us a RH bomb, and would give us 2 units with a righty on the point.

If we were willing to "go all Montreal on em"

Bottom 6 of

Tatar-Helm-Pulkkinen
Abdelkader-Sheahan-Ferraro

PP units of

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Franzen (Franzen screener)
Kronwall-Alfredsson

Tatar-Sheahan-Nyquist (Sheahan screener)
Smith-Pulkkinen

I prefer Pulkkinen, but since they're probably against bringing up another small forward, we could do the same thing but with Marchenko in Pulkks spot on the PP.

Again I prefer Pulkks because his shot is a bomb, and when he has time back there on the point with the space from being a man up, I think he would thrive on the PP.

I don't mind your changes but that 2nd PP unit is begging for SH goals against.

 

[Frk It]

I don't mind your changes but that 2nd PP unit is begging for SH goals against.

It's a risky proposition, you are absolutely right. But I honestly think the potential is there for that to be a great unit, big time risk/reward.

But as Guru Meditation pointed out in another thread, I really think part of the reason we struggle on the PP is we have almost no guys that can score from long-range. Most of our guys can score right around the net with a quick release, but most of our point shots pack nothing, and rarely beat goalies.

I really like the idea of adding someone with a bomb to the point on the PP. Now the choices between guys in GR would be Sproul or Pulkkinen. Pulkkinen is a lot more close to being pro-ready than Sproul IMO. When Pulkkinen has space to get his shot off (more ice with a man advantage) he has the ability to beat goalies clean, screen or not.

Also he would give us that coveted RH shot on the PP that Babcock loves.

On a side note I really believe Sheahan should be on the 2nd PP next year. He's a way better option to be the net-front guy than Abby and Cleary, IMO. If Bert and Cleary are both gone we are going to need to cycle fresh blood in to be that "net-front" guy, because I don't see Babcock deviating away from that PP philosophy. So hopefully Franzen would be screener on PP1, and Sheahan can be the screener on PP2.

 

[The Zermanator]

It's a risky proposition, you are absolutely right. But I honestly think the potential is there for that to be a great unit, big time risk/reward.

But as Guru Meditation pointed out in another thread, I really think part of the reason we struggle on the PP is we have almost no guys that can score from long-range. Most of our guys can score right around the net with a quick release, but most of our point shots pack nothing, and rarely beat goalies.

I really like the idea of adding someone with a bomb to the point on the PP. Now the choices between guys in GR would be Sproul or Pulkkinen. Pulkkinen is a lot more close to being pro-ready than Sproul IMO. When Pulkkinen has space to get his shot off (more ice with a man advantage) he has the ability to beat goalies clean, screen or not.

Also he would give us that coveted RH shot on the PP that Babcock loves.

On a side note I really believe Sheahan should be on the 2nd PP next year. He's a way better option to be the net-front guy than Abby and Cleary, IMO. If Bert and Cleary are both gone we are going to need to cycle fresh blood in to be that "net-front" guy, because I don't see Babcock deviating away from that PP philosophy. So hopefully Franzen would be screener on PP1, and Sheahan can be the screener on PP2.

I agree he'd be a better option, plus he's great at face-offs.

 

[Henkka]

^ If those lines are correct you may as well trade Abdelkader for a draft pick. He gets a lot of flak here but he can help teams. He's certainly an everyday player.

Even as a 13th forward, he would help a team called Red Wings. No reason for a trade.

It's just unbelieveable funny, if somebody is projecting next years lines, and if somebody is left outside the TOP12, he becomes somehow unneeded player. How about injuries, like our current situation? Never heard of them?

Our 7th D and 13th forward have played more games than many "regular" guys.

 

[InjuredChoker]

Those lines are indeed correct, and you're thinking from a traditional point of view, and being narrowminded. This isn't the traditional scoring lines/grinding lines. This is Chicago/LA styled deep lineups that have four scoring lines. This is traditional Red Wings 4 lines of deep two-way players lineup.

And yes, I will take that bet that Mantha and Jurco will be playing. They've given neither Holland or Babcock an excuse to hold them back in the AHL with their play. Utterly baseless and illogical attacks aside, Holland isn't going to be looking to re-sign Cleary or Samuelsson and create a logjam with this many young kids ready. They're ready, and they all fit the type of person Babcock wants on his team, big and skilled.

jurco, arguably yes.

mantha, no.

hawks 4th line isn't really scoring line. it's more of a shutdown line based on how they are used.

Sorry Jman, didn't mean to come across as attacking your point of view.

I actually would love to have the players you listed all on the team, would have a ton of skill top to bottom. I just don't see it being what is actually going to happen. Babcock loves grinders and forecheckers and you don't have many.

Also yes I will bet anything you want that both Jurco and Mantha don't start on the Wings for the 14-14 season. We'd be incredibly lucky just to have Jurco.

i really don't get this.

incredibly lucky just to have jurco?

imo we'd be incredibly lucky if wings were that deep and good team that there was no place for jurco.

if the option is to have jurco in NHL or jurco in AHL and have cleary or someone else plug in the roster, i'd take jurco in NHL.

if the option is to have jurco in NHL or jurco in AHL and have say top 9 of zett, dats, helm, tatar, nyquist, franzen, alfie, vanek/ or vanek type of player/healthy weiss, kulemin/seto/stewart etc, i'd take that latter option every time.

there will be injuries and if jurco starts in NHL there is less depth.

that is of course assuming those 9 players are better than jurco. if jurco is better, and earns his way to the roster, i'd have him there. but i wouldn't say wings would be lucky to have jurco there or would i go in to the offseason planning jurco to be with DRW on the opening night.

 

[Frk It]

jurco, arguably yes.

mantha, no.

hawks 4th line isn't really scoring line. it's more of a shutdown line based on how they are used.



i really don't get this.

incredibly lucky just to have jurco?

imo we'd be incredibly lucky if wings were that deep and good team that there was no place for jurco.

if the option is to have jurco in NHL or jurco in AHL and have cleary or someone else plug in the roster, i'd take jurco in NHL.

if the option is to have jurco in NHL or jurco in AHL and have say top 9 of zett, dats, helm, tatar, nyquist, franzen, alfie, vanek/ or vanek type of player/healthy weiss, kulemin/seto/stewart etc, i'd take that latter option every time.

there will be injuries and if jurco starts in NHL there is less depth.

that is of course assuming those 9 players are better than jurco. if jurco is better, and earns his way to the roster, i'd have him there. but i wouldn't say wings would be lucky to have jurco there or would i go in to the offseason planning jurco to be with DRW on the opening night.

If you look at the context of the dialogue Jman and I were having, that post has a different meaning than you think it does. Though maybe 'incredibly lucky' wasn't the best phrasing.

What I was saying more or less is... If you think both Jurco and Mantha will be on the team next year, I disagree, and I think even Jurco being on the team is a long shot. Let alone both of them.

I'm fine with getting one of those UFA you mentioned. If we miss out I'm fine with plugging in Jurco since he has comparable size and skill to some of the guys that are UFA wingers.

 

[jaster]

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($7.500m) / Anthony Mantha ($0.925m)
Tomas Tatar ($1.000m) / Stephen Weiss ($4.900m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($5.000m)
Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Riley Sheahan ($0.975m) / Tomas Jurco ($0.709m)
Gustav Nyquist ($0.950m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Landon Ferraro ($0.950m)
Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m) / Mitchell Callahan ($0.605m)
DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Dan Boyle ($6.000m)
Danny DeKeyser ($2.500m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($4.250m)
Xavier Ouellet ($0.670m) / Brendan Smith ($1.263m)
Brian Lashoff ($0.725m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($5.292m)
Petr Mrazek ($0.595m)
BUYOUTS
Carlo Colaiacovo ($0.000m)
BURIED
Jordin Tootoo ($0.975m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,496,212; BONUSES: $635,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $6,603,788

Redid to include Nyquist (I was screwing around with trades, forgot him last time).

Still: EMBRACE THE YOUTH MOVEMENT.

Too much youth. Specifically, too much mediocre youth. Also, too little organizational depth.

 

[ProPAIN]

Too much youth. Specifically, too much mediocre youth.

Who do you classify as mediocre in the lineup?

I see that as a significant upgrade over our current lineup (injuries or otherwise).

 

[InjuredChoker]

If you look at the context of the dialogue Jman and I were having, that post has a different meaning than you think it does. Though maybe 'incredibly lucky' wasn't the best phrasing.

What I was saying more or less is... If you think both Jurco and Mantha will be on the team next year, I disagree, and I think even Jurco being on the team is a long shot. Let alone both of them.

I'm fine with getting one of those UFA you mentioned. If we miss out I'm fine with plugging in Jurco since he has comparable size and skill to some of the guys that are UFA wingers.

i guess is was focusing too much on that one sentence; i apologize, didn't mean to pick you. it was more of a general point.

Too much youth. Specifically, too much mediocre youth. Also, too little organizational depth.

pk is another issue with that roster imo.

andy, miller and cleary have been the most used pkers this year. and the best too.

no one is on the roster.

they don't want the big guns to pk to keep them more fresh, apparently.

thus, making helm basically the only player with track record of playing a lot on pk. ferraro and sheahan have done that in minors but are more or less q-marks to do that in the bigs. esp. the minutes they would be asked to do.

not saying that miller, andy and co would have to be on the roster but there would need to be more guys with good track record on pk. esp. as one can't really count on helm staying healthy.

 

[Frk It]

Seems to me like the most logical bottom 6 to start next year would be

Tatar-Helm-Abdelkader
Miller-Sheahan-Ferraro

Actually, I have a hard time seeing it being anything else.

 

[Frk It]

Too much youth. Specifically, too much mediocre youth. Also, too little organizational depth.

Better than what we have right now, which is too many mediocre veterans, that just continue to decline more and more.

 

[Winger98]

Seems to me like the most logical bottom 6 to start next year would be

Tatar-Helm-Abdelkader
Miller-Sheahan-Ferraro

Actually, I have a hard time seeing it being anything else.

If we stay healthy, that'd be a nice bottom6. We have the potential to go into next season with a pretty decent looking group.

 

[probertrules24]

Here are a couple of options for next year, they could go a couple different ways.

Option 1

FORWARDS
Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($7.500m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($5.500m)
Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Stephen Weiss ($4.900m) / Gustav Nyquist ($0.950m)
Tomas Tatar ($1.750m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m)
Drew Miller ($1.350m) / Riley Sheahan ($0.715m) / Joakim Andersson ($0.733m)
Mitchell Callahan ($0.605m) / Landon Ferraro ($0.709m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($4.250m)
Danny DeKeyser ($2.000m) / Brendan Smith ($1.263m)
Brian Lashoff ($0.725m) / Jakub Kindl ($2.400m)
Adam Almquist ($0.605m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($5.292m)
Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500m)
BUYOUTS
Carlo Colaiacovo ($0.000m)
Jordin Tootoo ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,458,295; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $9,641,705

Jurco will be the first call up since he still has waiver eligibility. Our off season signing will be Alfredsson. They bring up all the guys out of waiver options and see how the season plays out. They will have tons of cap space and could acquire pretty much any contract if needed.

Option 2

FORWARDS
Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($7.500m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($5.500m)
Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Stephen Weiss ($4.900m) / Radim Vrbata ($4.500m)
Gustav Nyquist ($0.950m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Tomas Tatar ($1.750m)
Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m) / Joakim Andersson ($0.733m) / Drew Miller ($1.350m)
Riley Sheahan ($0.715m) / Mitchell Callahan ($0.605m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($4.250m)
Danny DeKeyser ($2.000m) / Matt Niskanen ($4.000m)
Jakub Kindl ($2.400m) / Brendan Smith ($1.263m)
Brian Lashoff ($0.725m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($5.292m)
Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500m)
BUYOUTS
Carlo Colaiacovo ($0.000m)
Jordin Tootoo ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,644,545; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $2,455,455

You can see the free agents signed are all right handed shots. Vrbata could be signed for 3 years taking him to age 35 with a million dollar raise. Alfredsson brought back for another year. Niskanen not sure how many years he would be signed with a 1.7 million dollar raise. In this scenario Ferraro and Almquist will need to clear waivers. I'm guessing they will clear seeing Emmerton who is a point per game player in the AHL and was on the roster last year cleared (multiple times ?), Almquist being a smaller 7th man.

Both options have Gustavsson but he can be swapped for a stop gap or use Mrazek.

Option 1 our top 6 will be the same as this year only getting younger in the bottom 6 and the same D without Quincey. Option 2 we add another right handed scorer to the top 6 and a right handed Dman to the top 4. The second option will give us a lot of choices on the PP plus we are still left with cap space for the deadline.

Just a couple thoughts.

 

[RedWingzz]

Here are a couple of options for next year, they could go a couple different ways.

Option 1

FORWARDS
Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($7.500m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($5.500m)
Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Stephen Weiss ($4.900m) / Gustav Nyquist ($0.950m)
Tomas Tatar ($1.750m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m)
Drew Miller ($1.350m) / Riley Sheahan ($0.715m) / Joakim Andersson ($0.733m)
Mitchell Callahan ($0.605m) / Landon Ferraro ($0.709m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($4.250m)
Danny DeKeyser ($2.000m) / Brendan Smith ($1.263m)
Brian Lashoff ($0.725m) / Jakub Kindl ($2.400m)
Adam Almquist ($0.605m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($5.292m)
Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500m)
BUYOUTS
Carlo Colaiacovo ($0.000m)
Jordin Tootoo ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,458,295; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $9,641,705

Jurco will be the first call up since he still has waiver eligibility. Our off season signing will be Alfredsson. They bring up all the guys out of waiver options and see how the season plays out. They will have tons of cap space and could acquire pretty much any contract if needed.

Option 2

FORWARDS
Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($7.500m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($5.500m)
Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Stephen Weiss ($4.900m) / Radim Vrbata ($4.500m)
Gustav Nyquist ($0.950m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Tomas Tatar ($1.750m)
Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m) / Joakim Andersson ($0.733m) / Drew Miller ($1.350m)
Riley Sheahan ($0.715m) / Mitchell Callahan ($0.605m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($4.250m)
Danny DeKeyser ($2.000m) / Matt Niskanen ($4.000m)
Jakub Kindl ($2.400m) / Brendan Smith ($1.263m)
Brian Lashoff ($0.725m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($5.292m)
Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500m)
BUYOUTS
Carlo Colaiacovo ($0.000m)
Jordin Tootoo ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,644,545; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $2,455,455

You can see the free agents signed are all right handed shots. Vrbata could be signed for 3 years taking him to age 35 with a million dollar raise. Alfredsson brought back for another year. Niskanen not sure how many years he would be signed with a 1.7 million dollar raise. In this scenario Ferraro and Almquist will need to clear waivers. I'm guessing they will clear seeing Emmerton who is a point per game player in the AHL and was on the roster last year cleared (multiple times ?), Almquist being a smaller 7th man.

Both options have Gustavsson but he can be swapped for a stop gap or use Mrazek.

Option 1 our top 6 will be the same as this year only getting younger in the bottom 6 and the same D without Quincey. Option 2 we add another right handed scorer to the top 6 and a right handed Dman to the top 4. The second option will give us a lot of choices on the PP plus we are still left with cap space for the deadline.

Just a couple thoughts.

I don't think Alfie will be back. that's just my gut feeling at this point. Also, I like Vrbata, but he's gonna get more than 4.5 million.

 

[RedWingzz]

Anyone have interest in Brian Boyle? I think he could be a solid addition, to finally bring some size and grit to the lineup. Boyle has also shown he does have a bit of a scoring touch, as he's scored 20 in a season before at the NHL level.

 

[Henkka]

We should go after Dan Boyle. the best RH defenceman in the market. He should fit well short-term, before our own RH prospect defencemen are ready.

Trade Kindl for defensive D and upgrade Quincey with Boyle.

Kindl < Boyle
Quincey < Good defensive D