MelikeJets
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All good pal that's what a forum is about if we all had same opinion it would be a boring world!We disagree on the degree of the improvement. What you call slight, I call huge.
All good pal that's what a forum is about if we all had same opinion it would be a boring world!We disagree on the degree of the improvement. What you call slight, I call huge.
You dont trade your best centre for a dman but you would likely trade your 3rd or 4th best winger.
Correct. Without knowing what we get in return, you can't really answer.
Would I trade 55 for Aho or Barkov and a top D man? Yes.
Would I trade 29 for Aho or Barkov and top D man? Yes.
I'm not sure we get a "quality 1st pairing D" for KC. It should be close to that, but it might not quite get there. The story was that Canes wanted an add to Ehlers for Pesce. Since then they moved Faulk so probably wouldn't move Pesce now but that is the kind of return I would want for KC.
Is there a source on that MS? IIRC, no details about a possible deal came out, besides that it didn't get done. It could have been the Jets wanting an add on Pesce for all I know.
Not sure Laine is bringing you back a top 2 D man, maybe a top 4 but even that's a stretch!
Trading Scheifele would make no sense. You can't trade a top-10 center (and the only legit top-6 center on the team) playing with a 6m cap hit for the next 5 seasons. Hasn't been on top of his game this calendar year, and could possibly benefit from a change of scenery, but he could be playing a whole lot worse and still be worth the money.
I'm not advocating trading Scheifele, but everyone keeps calling him top10 C, top5 C like it's a fact... Is he really?
Crosby
Malkin
McDavid
Draisaitl
Barkov
Eichel
Matthews
Aho
MacKinnon
Tavares
Bergeron
Stamkos
In my opinion those guys are certainly better than him. (In no order)
Scheifele
Kopitar
Point
Seguin
Petterson
Barzal
Kuznetsov
Couture
Lots of great centers in the league...
definitely debatable if Scheifele is top 10 anymore. from '16 through '18 id say he was top 10, but last year certainly wasn't imo. I'd also add ROR and Couturier to your list.
however, Scheifele is much closer to a top 10 C than Laine is a top 10 Winger. C is also a more valuable position league-wide and to this org, given our pool of players.
Point isn’t doin much this season.I'm not advocating trading Scheifele, but everyone keeps calling him top10 C, top5 C like it's a fact... Is he really?
Crosby
Malkin
McDavid
Draisaitl
Barkov
Eichel
Matthews
Aho
MacKinnon
Tavares
Bergeron
Stamkos
In my opinion those guys are certainly better than him. (In no order)
Scheifele
Kopitar
Point
Seguin
Petterson
Barzal
Kuznetsov
Couture
Lots of great centers in the league...
I wouldn't know exactly where to find it now. It was certainly posted here more than once but I don't remember what the source was. Seemed to be widely accepted at the time. I'll see if I can find something.
Edit: Found lots of speculation about Ehlers trades, a lot involving Pesce. Couldn't find anything about an add except from Canes fans. No reliable source. I remember it clearly, but that and $1.50 will get you a coffee at Tim's.
I'm not advocating trading Scheifele, but everyone keeps calling him top10 C, top5 C like it's a fact... Is he really?
Phaneuf's currently a UFA...Laine for Phaneuf? It’s a win-win. Jets gets to stabilize their blue line, and the Kings get some much needed scoring help.
Honestly, I think that it was Canes fans thinking Pesce is the best thing since sliced bread, and the fact that Ehlers wasn't having that great of a season ringing that bell. And probably some Jets fans here too that like to dump on Jets players.
I'm not advocating trading Scheifele, but everyone keeps calling him top10 C, top5 C like it's a fact... Is he really?
Crosby
Malkin
McDavid
Draisaitl
Barkov
Eichel
Matthews
Aho
MacKinnon
Tavares
Bergeron
Stamkos
In my opinion those guys are certainly better than him. (In no order)
Scheifele
Kopitar
Point
Seguin
Petterson
Barzal
Kuznetsov
Couture
Lots of great centers in the league...
Phaneuf's currently a UFA...
Yes - but those you listed are not all C's. How much time does Drai spend at C? How much time does he spend away from McD? Is Stamkos a full time C these days? I know he has gone back and forth in the past.
It is probably more accurate to rate Scheifele in the top 20.
Thought we were trying to get a top D to phaneuf.Then sign Phaneuf and trade Laine to the Kings for future considerations
I guess we agree to disagreeWell, I disagree.
What has Seth Jones done in his 'illustrious' career that has made him some untouchable?
Yes, he is a very good young defenseman with a lot more potential. Do you think his ceiling is a notch below generational talent?
Laine isn't that, and it's looking less and less likely he will be as time goes by but he has the talent to be. That has a lot of value around the league.
Teams are always looking for special players, players who's skilset is replicated by few if any others. Byfuglien and McDavid come to mind.
Seth Jones could be a cornerstone 1 D for a team for 15 years, and whilst that is very desireable and sought after in the NHL, it's not unique.
At this point, it's probably a bit more of a risk for CBJ to do a Jones/ Laine trade but they could end up the big winner. At the least they'd likely end up with a guy who scores 30 - 40 goals every year for 10 years, which is nothing to sneeze at.
Stamkos has played both wing and center. Draisaitl has spent most of his time this year with McDavid(still takes most of the faceoffs). Neither of those facts takes away from the fact that both are natural centers and better at it than Scheif.
Can johnnyonthspot fix the spelling of Scheifele in the title , it's driving me crazy , like a mother .
__________________________________________________I'm not sure we get a "quality 1st pairing D" for KC. It should be close to that, but it might not quite get there. The story was that Canes wanted an add to Ehlers for Pesce. Since then they moved Faulk so probably wouldn't move Pesce now but that is the kind of return I would want for KC.