It has one player making an impact in the NHL (Hischier). I don't really see how it has changed the narrative. It's still notably weaker than 2016, 2015 and 2013. Just because its a bad draft doesn't mean it won't have guys who excel. Even 2012 had guys like Yakupov and Galchenyuk looking good in the league in their D+1.On a serious note, this draft looks way more impressive than the "experts" on here thought.
Yep, Hischier is doing really well in the NHL, and many others been great as well in their leagues. Seems like the lack of a super-hyped prospect at the top might have caused the rest of the draft being a bit underrated. On the other hand, many prospects are also doing better than many might have expected.On a serious note, this draft looks way more impressive than the "experts" on here thought.
He still isn't practicing 15 days after the hit. It certainly isn't minorPatrick is back on the ice (in non-contract drills), I wouldn't call that a major concussion. In a less cautious era he's probably back on the ice, let's not act like he's Clarke MacArthur.
Outside of the case of Tolvanen, I don't think enough has really transpired yet to dramatically change how you viewed the draft back in June. I had the draft as
As of now, the only major change would be putting Tolvanen somewhere in my top 10. I'd knock Villardi back a bit, as the injury concerns are adding up. Might bump Yamamoto up a bit, and the same with Chytil. But outside of that, I can't really think of anything that has happened to make me dramatically alter how I viewed the draft 5 months ago. I'd probably drop Ratcliffe For most of these guys all we've added is a summer showcase tournament and 20 or so regular season games. The only person who has so exceeded where I had them in June, that I feel they've earned a significant bump is Tolvanen. Outside of Vilardi, who has been injured, pretty much all the top 15 are performing how I'd expect them to. Some are doing slightly better or slightly worse, but over 15 games its hard to tell if that is just random variation or longstanding changes.
Chytil? I have him rated around 6 and above Lias.1. Hischier
2. Patrick
3. Heiskanen
4. Petterson
5. Vilardi
6. Glass
7. Makar
8. Tolvanen
9. Thomas
10. Necas
11. Liljegren
12. Kostin
13. Suzuki
14. Andersson
15. Foote
Chytil? I have him rated around 6 and above Lias.
Not surprised that the Finnish contingent has found themselves another savior.
It's just comical to see the 2-3 of you come in here and defend him like he's your first born child.What do you disagree with? That Heiskanen should be in this discussion? I think trying to agitate a certain group of posters by calling them "angry" and "white knights" because they give arguments for a prospect they follow is textbook trolling. You add nothing to the discussion, you are only fishing for a reaction.
Also, yeah? There are homers on HFBoards. If you want, you can ignore them, or troll them directly rather than insulting the whole group.
No kidding.Not surprised that the Finnish contingent has found themselves another savior.
Its 8 games, you don't overreact to 8 games and training camp. Its also not like other guys drafted before him have given them major reason to drop them. The only guy drafted in the first round who has given people serious reasons to re-evaluate their stock is Tolvanen, and that's because he's played 27 games at a level almost unheard of in that league.x2
Very surprised Chytil isn't in the top 10 for so many of these lists.
I won't pretend as if I'm watching how all the other top prospects are doing, or that I know what I'm talking about (haha), but Chytil just turned 18 in September and is off to an unreal start in the AHL; 9 points (3g 6a) in his first 8 games. As of right now this seems like quite the bargain for a guy picked 21st OA.
To me, in terms of league difficulty/player development, the start of Chytil's year is much more impressive in comparison to a player like Casey Mittelstadt. Casey's doing great things too, don't get me wrong, it's just NCAA div 1 hockey doesn't compare to AHL.
Again, just my $.02, but Chytil needs to be in the conversation for top 10 in a redraft. If you take team needs into consideration, I'd say he would be grabbed by either Vegas, NYR, Buffalo or Detroit - so somewhere in the 6 to 9 range.
It's just comical to see the 2-3 of you come in here and defend him like he's your first born child.
Where are all of the Puljujarvi threads these days?
No kidding.
Heiskanen is a talent, no doubt but the way these posters bombard their way in here to defend his honour as if he has been disrespected to the hundredth degree is as amusing as it gets.
Mittlestadt has done nothing to prove he belongs more than top 10. He's only point per game in the EASIEST division in the NCAA. That's not great. For example, look at the 2015 draft. Kyle Connor, Colin White, AND Brock Boeser all scored more than point per game (and in Connor/Boeser's case, WAY more). All of them were drafted way past top 10.lol at people who don't have mittlestatd in their top 5
1. Hischier
2. Patrick
3. Heiskanen
4. Petterson
5. Vilardi
6. Glass
7. Makar
8. Tolvanen
9. Thomas
10. Necas
11. Liljegren
12. Kostin
13. Suzuki
14. Andersson
15. Foote
PPG as a rookie in the NCAA is no good now.Mittlestadt has done nothing to prove he belongs more than top 10. He's only point per game in the EASIEST division in the NCAA. That's not great. For example, look at the 2015 draft. Kyle Connor, Colin White, AND Brock Boeser all scored more than point per game (and in Connor/Boeser's case, WAY more). All of them were drafted way past top 10.
Or maybe learn to use context? The guy I was replying to said Mittlestadt was a top 5 in a redraft. PPG in NCAA is good if you're not expected to do well. A top 5 talent should score WAY above PPG in NCAA, especially if he plays in Big-10 division. Clayton Keller is actually a top 5 talent and proved that with his stats. I also provided 3 examples from 2015 of guys drafted 17th, 21st, and 23rd who produced more than Mittlestadt and none of them are considered top 5 talents in their draft year.PPG as a rookie in the NCAA is no good now.
This thread is SIZZLING with hot takes.
It has one player making an impact in the NHL (Hischier). I don't really see how it has changed the narrative. It's still notably weaker than 2016, 2015 and 2013. Just because its a bad draft doesn't mean it won't have guys who excel. Even 2012 had guys like Yakupov and Galchenyuk looking good in the league in their D+1.
?Or maybe learn to use context? The guy I was replying to said Mittlestadt was a top 5 in a redraft. PPG in NCAA is good if you're not expected to do well. A top 5 talent should score WAY above PPG in NCAA, especially if he plays in Big-10 division. Clayton Keller is actually a top 5 talent and proved that with his stats. I also provided 3 examples from 2015 of guys drafted 17th, 21st, and 23rd who produced more than Mittlestadt and none of them are considered top 5 talents in their draft year.
Hell, even Tyson Jost scored above PPG last year in a much tougher division and no one considers him a top 5 talent.
Mittlestadt is meeting expectations so far. He's not exceeding anything.
Teams generally have 2 to 3 years worth of scouting on people by draft date. No team, except for a poorly managed team makes decisions based on less at draft day. Teams won't even rank a guy if they have less than 20 "in-game" reports from live scouting on a guy. Most guys (especially CHL guys) will have closer to a 100 over a 2 year span.A very conservative retort. I disagree. Tolvanen and Chytil are two guys doing great things at the pro level. This draft appears to have been underrated.
Also 8 games + training camp is a significant amount of hockey. Teams make crucial decisions on draft day with less amount of scouting.
Mittlestadt has done nothing to prove he belongs more than top 10. He's only point per game in the EASIEST division in the NCAA. That's not great. For example, look at the 2015 draft. Kyle Connor, Colin White, AND Brock Boeser all scored more than point per game (and in Connor/Boeser's case, WAY more). All of them were drafted way past top 10.
Mittlestadt has done nothing to prove he belongs more than top 10. He's only point per game in the EASIEST division in the NCAA. That's not great. For example, look at the 2015 draft. Kyle Connor, Colin White, AND Brock Boeser all scored more than point per game (and in Connor/Boeser's case, WAY more). All of them were drafted way past top 10.
Chytil was one of the youngest players in the draft, his stock rose a LOT over the last year and he was undoubtedly underscouted because playing lesser minutes in Extraliga. He was the youngest player to appear in the NHL since 1974 and now is doing very well in the AHL. I mean, I agree redrafting players so soon is essentially crazy, but if we're doing this, then he should go higher than 21.Its 8 games, you don't overreact to 8 games and training camp. Its also not like other guys drafted before him have given them major reason to drop them. The only guy drafted in the first round who has given people serious reasons to re-evaluate their stock is Tolvanen, and that's because he's played 27 games at a level almost unheard of in that league.
I mean, Chytil could be bumped up, but the same type of argument could be made for Liljegren. Guys like Suzuki, Robert Thomas, and Glass are dominating their respective leagues. Outside of Vilardi, I don't really see the argument to knock anyone down, and Vilardi is purely based on continual injury issues.