The Great Dale Weise Debate (& other ex-Hawks) volume 3

[Blackhawkswincup]

Did I drastically alter Hawks roster and proudly proclaim it to media? No

If I did and created this mess of a team then I would certainly deserve to take blame for it

When Stanley made those moves and made his speech last offseason he put 100% blame or credit for results on him

Its time to hold Stanley accountable

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Panik has gone MIA again

He was all the talk among Q haters when he had 3 pts in 2 games for Yotes a few weeks back

Last 7 games he has no pts and is a -4

Haha "all the talk". Please cite this.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Panik getting it done.

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Richard panik 4pts in 5gp thus far.

Still happy with Duclair but did not except Panik to produce

It's the "system" (of Quenneville's).

More in the Isles/Hawks GDT but because its locked I cant quote em for here

Yes there was a Panik mania for his two good games in Arizona but has since faded away as Panik faded away

Panzer in multiple posts talked up the success of Panik away from Q

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

One guy said he didn't expect him to produce and now panzer is "all the Q haters"?

 

[ChiHawks10]

I didn't even have to show the ignored posts to know exactly who BK was arguing with. @BK, IDK why you bother. Obvious troll is obvious.

 

[BK]

Didn't need to see into future to know that Seabrook extension , Rundblad trade and Flash/Weiss deal were mistakes moment they happened

This is Stanley's mess

He was one who promised "Major Changes" last offseason

Those changes have taken toll (Along with several other mistakes since 2015) to turn Hawks into a team on cusp of being a dumpster franchise once more

Are you really trying to claim this team is close to a dumpster franchise?

This might be your most ridiculous hot take ever.

 

[BK]

Haha "all the talk". Please cite this.

There is no talk. BWC must have a “Show Imaginary Posts” button instead of the “Show Ignored Content” button the rest of us have.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Are you really trying to claim this team is close to a dumpster franchise?

This might be your most ridiculous hot take ever.

Have you looked at cap situations and the untradeable garbage on roster?

No one is going to do Hawks a favor and take Seabrook + Toews off our hands

Keith is already showing signs of decline , Crawford with injuries and age wont be able to play at top level beyond a couple more season at best

Only part of our Core that will likely be productive over next 5 years is Kane

How can we look at situation positively when we already have 17.5M in dead cap space with Toews + Seabrook on roster?

 

[BobbyJet]

Are you really trying to claim this team is close to a dumpster franchise?

This might be your most ridiculous hot take ever.

I agree. There is concern in the back end and I can see a trade possibly coming for a seasoned dman before next season in that regard, but up front this team has genuine potential.
Suggested a dump of 50 percent of the players makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[BK]

Seabrook will be a compliance buyout. Simple as that. Boom 7 million cap space.

Again you are claiming this team is a dumpster fire...this is a moronic claim.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Does Rocky know that?

I cant imagine Rocky will enjoy paying out $$$ to correct another major Stanley mistake

 

[BK]

Does Rocky know that?

I cant imagine Rocky will enjoy paying out $$$ to correct another major Stanley mistake

What other major mistakes has he paid for? “Another” implies he has paid before.

I can say with 99% certainly, a Seabrook buyout has been discussed with the senior leadership. How can I say that? Because that is how businesses work, if you see a future issue you identify it so it can be part of future planning.

FYI, Stan has made Rocky far more money that he has lost him.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

What other major mistakes has he paid for? “Another” implies he has paid before.

I can say with 99% certainly, a Seabrook buyout has been discussed with the senior leadership. How can I say that? Because that is how businesses work, if you see a future issue you identify it so it can be part of future planning.

FYI, Stan has made Rocky far more money that he has lost him.

Huet? Khabibulin? Ate Olesz' contract in the Campbell trade. Spend money to make money. He'll owe Q quite a bit of money pretty soon.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Wasn't Monty bought out as well?

Also even if we get rid of Seabrook what do we do about Toews?

Asking Rocky to buy out both Toews and Seabrook is asking for alot

 

[BK]

Huet? Khabibulin? Ate Olesz' contract in the Campbell trade. Spend money to make money. He'll owe Q quite a bit of money pretty soon.

Huet and Khab I agree with. Olesz technically saved him money.

Something tells me John M and Rocky handled Q’s new deal more so than Stan. Don’t see Stan being on the hook for Q.

 

[BK]

Wasn't Monty bought out as well?

Monty was a drop in the bucket.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Huet and Khab I agree with. Olesz technically saved him money.

Saved money which he immediately spent and then paid Olesz to ride busses.

 

[DPHawk]

Huet? Khabibulin? Ate Olesz' contract in the Campbell trade. Spend money to make money. He'll owe Q quite a bit of money pretty soon.

Huet and Campbell are Tallon mistakes.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Huet and Campbell are Tallon mistakes.

I'm talking about mistakes Rocky didn't mind eating the money on, but point taken.

 

[LDF]

Huet and Khab I agree with. Olesz technically saved him money.

Something tells me John M and Rocky handled Q’s new deal more so than Stan. Don’t see Stan being on the hook for Q.

while i am agreement, the caveat to that is, there was no salary cap to deal with.

the salary cap changes and trumps all business moves.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

while i am agreement, the caveat to that is, there was no salary cap to deal with.

the salary cap changes and trumps all business moves.

The salary cap was very much a thing. Rocky was willing to go around it and burn a pile of money to keep the team competitive. Which is the same thing he'd be doing with a Seabrook compliance buy out.

 

[LDF]

The salary cap was very much a thing. Rocky was willing to go around it and burn a pile of money to keep the team competitive. Which is the same thing he'd be doing with a Seabrook compliance buy out.

really, i thought huet and khab was before the hard cap.

my bad.

 

[BK]

while i am agreement, the caveat to that is, there was no salary cap to deal with.

the salary cap changes and trumps all business moves.

What? Yes there was.

 

[AmericanDream]

The salary cap was very much a thing. Rocky was willing to go around it and burn a pile of money to keep the team competitive. Which is the same thing he'd be doing with a Seabrook compliance buy out.

I just don't see him doing that with Seabrook, you think Rocky will let that one get buried? If so I can guarantee it will be another 2 years before that happens..

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

I just don't see him doing that with Seabrook, you think Rocky will let that one get buried? If so I can guarantee it will be another 2 years before that happens..

It won't get buried, it can't anymore. Do I think they'll pay Seabrook to go away with a compliance buy out in a year or two? Absolutely.