The Great Dale Weise Debate (& other ex-Hawks) volume 3

[b1e9a8r5s]

I just don't see him doing that with Seabrook, you think Rocky will let that one get buried? If so I can guarantee it will be another 2 years before that happens..

Well the rules are changed in terms of "burying" a guy. Before, you could out and out bury a guy. You pay the money but his cap hit didn't count against the cap, like Olesv. That's no longer the case. You can basically bury only 1 mil of a guys deal, with the rest counting against the cap. Burying Seabs would only save the team $1 mil a year against the cap. But Seabs has a NMC so it's a complete non starter as he would have to agree to go on waivers which isn't happening.

 

[Game suspension]

It won't get buried, it can't anymore. Do I think they'll pay Seabrook to go away with a compliance buy out in a year or two? Absolutely.

6 more years of Seabiscuit. Only 5 more of Kane, Toews and Keith. Good thing Bowman gave him that extra year.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

6 more years of Seabiscuit. Only 5 more of Kane, Toews and Keith. Good thing Bowman gave him that extra year.

I don't think Seabrook finishes his career with the Hawks. It'll be a bittersweet moment if he gets bought out.

 

[BK]

I don't think Seabrook finishes his career with the Hawks. It'll be a bittersweet moment when he gets bought out.

Fixed.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Fixed.

Hopefully.

 

[AmericanDream]

It won't get buried, it can't anymore. Do I think they'll pay Seabrook to go away with a compliance buy out in a year or two? Absolutely.

I didnt mean to say it as bury like Olesz, I don't think Rocky does another buyout especially on Seabs for at least another 2 years...he will want some return on that money and we still need the guy as we have few dmen in the system ready to play.

 

[Ace Rothstein]

I still question whether Stan actually negotiated any part of the Seabrook contract. It is almost like Seabrook's agent wrote it up and Stan just signed it.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

I didnt mean to say it as bury like Olesz, I don't think Rocky does another buyout especially on Seabs for at least another 2 years...he will want some return on that money and we still need the guy as we have few dmen in the system ready to play.

You can pay a guy that gives you what Seabrook does for half the cost. Rocky, despite my disagreements with some of his public nonsense, has never done anything to suggest he'd put profits ahead of winning hockey games. It's why I don't mind him crying poor as much as his father did.

 

[AmericanDream]

I think there is more at play here than just Stan when it comes to contracts...me thinks he has a few people looking over his shoulders allowing or disallowing these things...

 

[BK]

I think there is more at play here than just Stan when it comes to contracts...me thinks he has a few people looking over his shoulders allowing or disallowing these things...

John McD was already reported to have done that with Bickell so Seabrook would make it even more likely. Stan should have stood his ground if it happened but if your boss tells you to make some thing happen you do it (for the most part).

 

[BobbyJet]

Rasmussen on waivers.

 

[BK]

Rasmussen on waivers.

This happened early this season as well? Right?

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Yea. I'd rather him than Bouma. But he's just a guy. Promote Kampf, run a bottom six of

Cat - Kampf - Hino
Hartman - Moose - Jurco

 

[Teemu]

This happened early this season as well? Right?

He's on termination waivers this time, so he probably has a deal set in Sweden

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

John McD was already reported to have done that with Bickell so Seabrook would make it even more likely. Stan should have stood his ground if it happened but if your boss tells you to make some thing happen you do it (for the most part).

There have been rumors with Bickell but has there been any actual evidence? It seems plausable to me, but without any actual support to the Bickell or Seabs signings coming from higher up I think you have to lay those signings at Stan's feet.

*Of course Bickell developed an autoimmune disease, likely during the contract, which needs to be mentioned.

(I have no interest in rehashing the Bickell signing)

 

[CokenoPepsi]

McD always has his say in signings.

It has been well known he came in and forced the Hossa and Huet deals

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

So then your saying Mcd deserves credit for Kane/Toews 2nd deals and Keith deal + Hossa

Or is this the usual in which Mcd get blamed for any Stanley mistake and no credit on good

Cant have it both ways and try to give Mcd credit for every Stanley mistake but praise Stanley for any contract you view as positive

 

[clydesdale line]

McD always has his say in signings.

It has been well known he came in and forced the Hossa and Huet deals

Campbell as well in the Tallon power serge back then.

 

[Callidusblackhawk]

So then your saying Mcd deserves credit for Kane/Toews 2nd deals and Keith deal + Hossa

Or is this the usual in which Mcd get blamed for any Stanley mistake and no credit on good

Cant have it both ways and try to give Mcd credit for every Stanley mistake but praise Stanley for any contract you view as positive

Man you are just on fire tonight!

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

Cant have it both ways and try to give Mcd credit for every Stanley mistake but praise Stanley for any contract you view as positive

I actually agree with this, which is why I posted my previous post.

But man are you are the last person who should be talking about having it both ways.

 

[BK]

McD always has his say in signings.

It has been well known he came in and forced the Hossa and Huet deals

I don’t think he had anything to do with either. Hossa was Stan vs Tallon from what has been reported.

 

[Pez68]

I don’t think he had anything to do with either. Hossa was Stan vs Tallon from what has been reported.

The story I got was, Scotty Bowman basically pulled rank and said they were signing Hossa. Everyone got behind that, instead of going with Tallon's guy...Havlat. Thank God!

 

[BK]

The story I got was, Scotty Bowman basically pulled rank and said they were signing Hossa. Everyone got behind that, instead of going with Tallon's guy...Havlat. Thank God!

This.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

The story I got was, Scotty Bowman basically pulled rank and said they were signing Hossa. Everyone got behind that, instead of going with Tallon's guy...Havlat. Thank God!

Source?

 

[Blackhawks]

Can someone show proof that MiKKy D actually overrules Stan the Man? Why does Stany boy even have a job if Ronald McDonald is in charge?