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Just gross. I'm looking forward to seeing Norris at the WJHC. I hope he rips it up. Meier is becoming a solid player. If he can continue to work on his offensive game, watch out.
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Just gross. I'm looking forward to seeing Norris at the WJHC. I hope he rips it up. Meier is becoming a solid player. If he can continue to work on his offensive game, watch out.
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1. We all hope Norris rips it up. But if you’re expecting anything special offensively from a guy with 9 points in 16 games in the NCAA who by all accounts is even worse by the eye test, you’re teetering on the ledge of overdosing on optimism. He’s going to play third line minutes at best and probably will be used in a defensive role because of USA Hockey’s obsession with the outdated top-6/bottom-6 model.
2. Meier is “becoming” a “solid” player, “if” he could work on his offensive game? There’s a lot of meh in that statement. Hoffman is a difference-maker.
This actually reminded me of something that I think hohos mentioned. Apparently Josh Norris is generating a ton of shots, we also know that Timo Meier generates a ton of shots. It makes you wonder if the Sharks are using analytics to target volume shooters, even if the player isn't very talented.
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I haven't followed much of Hoffman lately (aside from my dynamite fantasy team last season
), but does it worry you that he seems to be more of a PP specialist these last two seasons? 5 ES goals so far this season, and 13 last season. The PPG numbers were something that SJeasy noted about in Heatley and how it wouldn't carry over to the post-season, and we all know how that turned out. I could see DW going after Hoffman a lot more than Kane though.
Juxtaposer
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I haven't followed much of Hoffman lately (aside from my dynamite fantasy team last season
I honestly have not paid much attention to Hoffman’s stats specifically. I just know he’s good and when you watch Ottawa he’s the guy that stands out to me the most after Karlsson.
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Same. I checked his stats out and they're all pretty good but not great defensively.
If I had a choice between Hoffman and Pacioretty, though, at the price they will each cost, I would definitely take Pacioretty.
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I dunno if they're going after volume shooters but in my exploration of collegehockeynews' advanced stats section, a freshman that puts up enormous generated shot totals is probably going to the NHL sooner rather than later. Cale Makar is one of those guys this year but in the past Larkin, Connor, Bowser have put up lofty numbers. Anyways, Norris is like 4th on his team right now which isn't too bad. I'm still exploring but it's kind of a pain.
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So now Carpenter is gone and O'Regan is the new 4th line Center, how should the lineup look like? DeBoer is obviously looking to load up the 3rd line with Meier and Donskoi. Might be a good idea temporarily but probably not longterm. I still want Hertl at Center but since that's not gonna happen I'd want something like that:
Hertl, Couture, Donskoi
Meier, Thornton, Pavelski
Sorensen/Goodrow, Tierney, Labanc
Boedker, O'Regan, Hansen
Karlsson, Ward
Now Carpenter is gone I don't see a fit for Karlsson and Ward if everybody is healthy. They're ideal 4th liners but not if O'Regan is the 4th line Center.
Hertl, Couture, Donskoi
Meier, Thornton, Pavelski
Sorensen/Goodrow, Tierney, Labanc
Boedker, O'Regan, Hansen
Karlsson, Ward
Now Carpenter is gone I don't see a fit for Karlsson and Ward if everybody is healthy. They're ideal 4th liners but not if O'Regan is the 4th line Center.
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I'd probably go with the same lines as the team is built right now, but I really think we need another winger to pair with the Joes. If we could acquire another winger for that line I actually like the idea of Donskoi giving us a 3rd scoring line with Tierney.
Acquisition-Thornton-Pavs
Hertl-Couture-Labanc
Donskoi-Tierney-Meier
Then O'regan can center any combo that is still on the team: Hansen, Boedker, Ward, Goodrow, Karlsson. If O'regan is dealt use Goodrow as center.
Acquisition-Thornton-Pavs
Hertl-Couture-Labanc
Donskoi-Tierney-Meier
Then O'regan can center any combo that is still on the team: Hansen, Boedker, Ward, Goodrow, Karlsson. If O'regan is dealt use Goodrow as center.
TomasHertlsRooster
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From what I'm seeing, it looks like the Sabres are asking for a 1st, 3rd, and B prospect, or a 2nd and an A prospect.
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I could live with either of those. Guessing A and B are players like Norris and Roy?
BaileyMacTavish
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Yikes. On one hand, the 1st round track record leaves a lot to be desired. On the other hand, that is really steep
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For what it's worth DW said in a recent interview he isnt going to trade young key players for rentals.
If that's the case, we're probably looking at Roy, a 1st, and a 3rd for Kane. Problem is that the Sharks would need more help up front to make it worth their while. If they're going to go down this road, they need to get Martin healthy and playing at least reasonably well enough to justify trading him or Dillon to let Ryan play and potentially recoup some of the assets that they would need to move to get some top end help like Kane may end up being. That or use one of those two to get a better middle six winger than what we got.
TomasHertlsRooster
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I'm thinking the only guy we have anywhere near A is Meier. If Norris+2nd was the offer I would probably do it.
DW says a lot of shit and doesn't stick to it. I could see him going outside the box and getting some value out of guys like Martin/Boedker/Hansen/DeMelo and/or taking some temporary cap back.
I think it's very possible that we could be looking at something more complicated than a basic 1st+3rd+Roy trade. The 4 players I mentioned above may have a little bit more value around the league than we treat them like they do.
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TomasHertlsRooster
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Exactly why I said "for what it's worth"
Yeah, that's totally fair. I was getting ready to pull up him saying "We are not in the market for another goaltender" one month before he signed Antti Niemi if anybody had dare challenge me.
I still do think it means something that he said that. It's also very possible that if DW is looking at trading for Kane with an extension or with the possibility of an extension weighing heavily on the value of the trade. He could do something like Josh Norris and a conditional 1st round pick, with the condition being Kane signs an extension.
Regardless, I think there are many possibilities outside the realm of a basic "1st+Roy+3rd for 25 games of Kane" type of trade and I could see DW going outside the box.
Yeah, that's totally fair. I was getting ready to pull up him saying "We are not in the market for another goaltender" one month before he signed Antti Niemi if anybody had dare challenge me.
I still do think it means something that he said that. It's also very possible that if DW is looking at trading for Kane with an extension or with the possibility of an extension weighing heavily on the value of the trade. He could do something like Josh Norris and a conditional 1st round pick, with the condition being Kane signs an extension.
Regardless, I think there are many possibilities outside the realm of a basic "1st+Roy+3rd for 25 games of Kane" type of trade and I could see DW going outside the box.
Sharks shouldn't look at trading for Kane with the hope that they can re-sign him. Nobody should be surprised if he hits free agency and signs in Vancouver. He definitely could go that route with Norris and a conditional 1st which probably means a 2nd if he doesn't re-sign as these negotiations are pretty fluid but if they're looking at the Hanzal and Ladd rental trades, that kind of trade is less than what those guys got. The Hanzal trade was a 1st, a 2nd, and a 4th so Kane's trade is very likely looking at something that is better than that. Norris and a conditional 1st is likely seen as worse than that.
But I hope for the team's sake that they lose out on this trade because I expect it to be pretty close to two 1sts in some form or another like Norris and a guaranteed 1st rather than conditional or consecutive 1st round picks.
TomasHertlsRooster
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Norris is a 1st. 19th overall. We may see him as a guy that was a poor pick but his value is equal to that 1st that Minnesota gave up. You give up Norris and a 2nd and that's equivalent to the Hanzal trade; the 4th round pick is more or less cancelled out by Ryan White who was sent with Hanzal to Minnesota. In addition, everybody and their mother knows that Minnesota heavily overpaid for Hanzal. If Buffalo can get the type of value for Kane that Minnesota did for Hanzal, they're probably looking at two 1st round picks at the very least.
And that's why the conditional 1st thing is simply not going to happen with just Norris for Kane. If Buffalo can get someone to overpay for Kane like the Wild overpaid for Hanzal, they're getting more than two 1st round pick equivalents for him because Kane is by a wide margin a better player than Hanzal was at that point. The Ladd and Hanzal trades are trades that the Sabres want other teams to look at and add to in order to get Kane. That should tell you all you need to know about where they're going with this and it probably will price the Sharks out of that particular market.
Wilson also said heatley wasn't in the plans and there was no discussions with ottawa about a trade between them the night before heatley became a shark.
And young key players to you and me are different then wilsons definition of young key players.
To me and you meier and ryan could be the future of the team. But to wilson they could be just 2 players that could not take that next step to make it at the nhl level.
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I believe Norris has always been a pass first ala Jumbo kinda player? I never looked at total shots, and this is a nice find.
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It's probably a more important trend for forwards than it is for defensemen. O'regan's teammate, Ahti Oksanen had like 100 more shots but he's over in Sweden doing something but Charlie McAvoy had pretty average numbers but is killing it in the NHL right now.
Actually looking at the numbers again, McAvoy had pretty good shot attempt numbers, still not sure if it's a good way to check for defensemen since Hanifin was kinda low but he's doing solid in the NHL too but that might have something to do with him being 17.
Some players I want to keep an eye out are Ryan Donato, Brady Tkachuk, Ryan Poehling, and Riley Tufte for now. Donato's a player I liked at his draft and he's put up good shot totals since his freshman year. Tkachuk has good shot attempt numbers but people seem kinda down on him, Poehling's having a bit of a breakout year but his shot attempt numbers are not very good. Tufte's currently regarded as a bit of a bust but his numbers are enough to lead the team.
They only started tracking these individual shot attempts since 2014 so there's not a whole lot of history to go off of right now.
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