Sean Couturier Part III

[Beef Invictus]

I actually feel that Couturier gets down low and gets to the net quite a lot at ES. This is why he scores at a reasonable rate at ES. When he's out on the perimeter on the PP he has a significantly lower rate of relative production, and the team might be better served moving him in front of the net on PP2.

If Gagner was in the team I would like to see them try this set-up.

Gagner-Couturier-Laughton
MDZ-Medvedev

I don't think Read is very useful on the PP, so with Gagner out I would try.

Couturier-Raffl/Umberger-Laughton
MDZ-Medvedev

I will go bump the Laughton thread but I'm sick of him not getting PP time while Manning is out there fumbling around at the point.

I've pondered putting Couturier at the net and Gagner along the wall as well. Gagner has the offensive skill to make that work, but the downside is that I'd expect him to lose a lot of battles. As I see it, while Couturier is likely the best net front option, he is also the best at puck possession, a skill lacking elsewhere on PP2. If you put him at the net, then that unit is likely getting cleared out even more.


At the end of the day we just may not have enough depth to construct two productive PP units.

 

[FLYguy3911]

At the end of the day we just may not have enough depth to construct two productive PP units.

That will change when we can trot out one or both of Provorov and Sanheim in the next year or two.

 

[Beef Invictus]

That will change when we can trot out one or both of Provorov and Sanheim in the next year or two.

I think we'll need at least one more forward too; whether it be Laughton stepping up or someone drafted, like The Neck.

 

[FLYguy3911]

I think we'll need at least one more forward too; whether it be Laughton stepping up or someone drafted, like The Neck.

Yeah Konecny will be out there with some combination of Couturier, Laughton, and whoever else the bring in like Auston Matthews.

 

[Curufinwe]

Konecny-Couturier-Laughton
Sanheim-Prorovov

 

[Random Forest]

Right, but earlier in his career he would use his shot more effectively. I haven't seen his shot in some time, a shame because it's above average.

I just don't think it's useful or interesting to simply say Couturier should be better. Doesn't really dig into context. Sure, Couturier could be better, but what does that mean? About as pointless as yelling at players to shoot.

That's why there are substantive criticisms brought up beyond "he needs to play better!"

"Playing better" in this case means being more assertive and more aggressive with the puck. For example, he'll often carry the puck into the zone and drive wide effectively, but he'll settle for a low percentage shot on goal rather than attacking the net hard on the rush. He's capable of doing this (eg, his rush that led to the OT penalty against Carolina the other day), but he just needs to have that mentality more consistently. He's a very capable puck carrier, and I feel his skill set in that regard could be harnessed better with that mentality.

I think that's a fairly substantive and reasonable criticism that isn't at all like yelling at players to shoot.

 

[whitstifier]

That's why there are substantive criticisms brought up beyond "he needs to play better!"

"Playing better" in this case means being more assertive and more aggressive with the puck. For example, he'll often carry the puck into the zone and drive wide effectively, but he'll settle for a low percentage shot on goal rather than attacking the net hard on the rush. He's capable of doing this (eg, his rush that led to the OT penalty against Carolina the other day), but he just needs to have that mentality more consistently. He's a very capable puck carrier, and I feel his skill set in that regard could be harnessed better with that mentality.

I think that's a fairly substantive and reasonable criticism that isn't at all like yelling at players to shoot.

That's a bit better, however, I think that's a consequence of usage. Couturier was brought into the NHL after juniors. He's had little opportunity to develop his offensive game. Understandable that he's not very confident in the offensive zone, no? He could be better but he's only now getting more offensive zone starts.

 

[Tripod]

That's a bit better, however, I think that's a consequence of usage. Couturier was brought into the NHL after juniors. He's had little opportunity to develop his offensive game. Understandable that he's not very confident in the offensive zone, no? He could be better but he's only now getting more offensive zone starts.

Plus I do think he plays a bit cautious because in the back of his mind, he knows his linemates and more importantly our D will not cover for him if he is making mistakes that lead to scoring chances.

He may never get a true chance at being an offensive player if no one can help lessen the load on the defensive side.

 

[Fire Tortorella]

Dear Everyone,

Shut the **** up.

Signed,

Sean Couturier

 

[FLYguy3911]

Hit the net!

 

[Beef Invictus]

He must have read one of those moronic Zibanejad v Couturier polls before the game.

 

[flyershockey]

Sweet solace watching Couturier win another head to head matchup with the Swedish demigod.

 

[Appleyard]

Sweet solace watching Couturier win another head to head matchup with the Swedish demigod.

Almost 5 minutes vs Zibanejad at 5v5:

85.71 CF% (12 for, 2 against)
90.91 FF% (10 for, 1 against)
88.89 SF% (8 for, 1 against)
100% GF% (2 for, 0 against)

 

[GapToothedWonder]

Almost 5 minutes vs Zibanejad at 5v5:

85.71 CF% (12 for, 2 against)
90.91 FF% (10 for, 1 against)
88.89 SF% (8 for, 1 against)
100% GF% (2 for, 0 against)

What's the hockey equivalent of a mic drop? Stick drop?

Gudas dropping the people's elbow?

 

[Curufinwe]

I bet that Couturier finishes on 39 points thanks to that missed empty net.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Since being drafted:

Couturier vs Sens: 5g 6a

Zibanejad vs Flyers: 0g 0a

 

[Appleyard]

His 5v5 CF% on the year is now ~58% after today.

Which is top 10 amongst NHL forwards.

His relative CF% will be 3rd best amongst NHL forwards after tonight I reckon...

All while having:

~27% OZ starts
~34% DZ starts
~39% NZ starts
Some of the toughest QoC in the NHL (~10th toughest rel QoC amongst NHL C's before tonight)

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

Since being drafted:

Couturier vs Sens: 5g 6a

Zibanejad vs Flyers: 0g 0a

He scored against us last week..

 

[Beef Invictus]

Whoops, I must have looked at one of the surrounding games.

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

Whoops, I must have looked at one of the surrounding games.

I won't hold it against you.

 

[Protest]

I won't hold it against you.

I will.

 

[deadhead]

His 5v5 CF% on the year is now ~58% after today.

Which is top 10 amongst NHL forwards.

His relative CF% will be 3rd best amongst NHL forwards after tonight I reckon...

All while having:

~27% OZ starts
~34% DZ starts
~39% NZ starts
Some of the toughest QoC in the NHL (~10th toughest rel QoC amongst NHL C's before tonight)

No wonder you get banned from threads.
You keep confusing people with facts and statistics instead of throwing out unsubstantiated opinions.
Shame on you!

 

[Lindberg]

That will change when we can trot out one or both of Provorov and Sanheim in the next year or two.

I guess everyone has already decided that Ghost and Giroux belong together huh?

 

[Protest]

Yeah Konecny will be out there with some combination of Couturier, Laughton, and whoever else the bring in like Auston Matthews.

No one said anythign about this so.....

No wonder you get banned from threads.
You keep confusing people with facts and statistics instead of throwing out unsubstantiated opinions.
Shame on you!

Someone seriously banned him from a thread?

 

[FLYguy3911]

No one said anythign about this so.....

Caught me. I forgot the y in 'they'.