Rumor: Perron extension, Yzerman listening on defensemen

[14ari13]

I don't get why Maatta always gets mentioned in this context. He's the only guy out of that group (Holl, Ghost, Chiarot, Petry) that should be kept, imo. He should rather be extended, at that salary he gets this season. The other 4 guys are all getting more money, which is just hilarious.

He's so defensively sound, makes so few mistakes - it's not by accident that he leads the team in plus/minus. Same story as Ras, for example. Yes, a few brainfarts here and there, that drive you nuts and kinda distort the overall impression - but that's the kind of players you want on a playoff team.

Ghost meanwhile.. he is like walking towards a house and when you are close enough you realize, you're in a movie setting. That it is just a front, and no real house behind. I'd sell the guy at the deadline if I were SY.

Put Mo on PP1, Walman on PP2 (or the other way around, whichever works better), move Ed up and be better overall.

Plus, right now, we are at a point where we probably shouldn't just sell for a pick. Rather take Ghost + prospect(s) + pick(s) to get a real upgrade on D.

Maatta is steady and Chiarot has been great this season.

 

[Frk It]

He's literally better than everyone on this roster at setting up the play on the back end. This is where you are really, really underestimating him. It is unreplaceable,(right now), He's part of the reason why our PP in a year went from bottom half(17th) to top 10(tied for 6th*).

Just this last game vs the Av's he's the reason it got tied with Perron/Larkin.

An you specially cherry-picked goals because he's got 20 assists on the PP out of 37 total points, it's cause he handles the puck on the back end a lot cycling it down low or to wingers. He doesn't even shoot a lot, with 38 total for the year on the PP so it's not a wonder.

For a team that wins by out scoring teams... the analogy would be you're cutting your nose off to save face over a pimple on it. You look better without the pimple but you've lost your nose!

I think he’s contributing to both things. Our high goals for and our high goals against.

Adding Kane helps with that power play cycle a lot, I don’t really see what Ghost is doing on the power play that makes up for some of the games he has had recently where I am counting like 5+ gaffes in his own end. His overall ice time has been pretty low lately.

And I guess I have a lot more belief in Edvinsson than you seem to have.

 

[Snuggs]

I think he’s contributing to both things. Our high goals for and our high goals against.

Adding Kane helps with that power play cycle a lot, I don’t really see what Ghost is doing on the power play that makes up for some of the games he has had recently where I am counting like 5+ gaffes in his own end. His overall ice time has been pretty low lately.

And I guess I have a lot more belief in Edvinsson than you seem to have.

Oh please... what a straw man.

Edvinsson better off replacing Maatta, his ice time and forcing Gostisbehere into even more of a specialist role than now with less 5on5 ice time vs Edvinsson coming in and trying to replace Gostisbehere production on the power play. Which again, is top 10 stuff in the league.

 

[jaster]

I don't get why Maatta always gets mentioned in this context. He's the only guy out of that group (Holl, Ghost, Chiarot, Petry) that should be kept, imo. He should rather be extended, at that salary he gets this season. The other 4 guys are all getting more money, which is just hilarious.

He's so defensively sound, makes so few mistakes - it's not by accident that he leads the team in plus/minus. Same story as Ras, for example. Yes, a few brainfarts here and there, that drive you nuts and kinda distort the overall impression - but that's the kind of players you want on a playoff team.

Ghost meanwhile.. he is like walking towards a house and when you are close enough you realize, you're in a movie setting. That it is just a front, and no real house behind. I'd sell the guy at the deadline if I were SY.

Put Mo on PP1, Walman on PP2 (or the other way around, whichever works better), move Ed up and be better overall.

Plus, right now, we are at a point where we probably shouldn't just sell for a pick. Rather take Ghost + prospect(s) + pick(s) to get a real upgrade on D.

Maatta gets mentioned because if Yzerman is looking to upgrade the D, or move in Edvinsson, he’s a prime candidate to be replaced. He plays minimal, sheltered minutes with no special teams. He fills that small role fairly well (he still makes his fair share of blunders), but it’s still a small role that is more replaceable than most D on the team.

I’ve got nothing against Maatta. He’s serviceable, mostly. But he doesn’t check a lot of boxes. His overall value is modest.

 

[norrisnick]

He's literally better than everyone on this roster at setting up the play on the back end. This is where you are really, really underestimating him. It is unreplaceable,(right now), He's part of the reason why our PP in a year went from bottom half(17th) to top 10(tied for 6th*).

Just this last game vs the Av's he's the reason it got tied with Perron/Larkin.

An you specially cherry-picked goals because he's got 20 assists on the PP out of 37 total points, it's cause he handles the puck on the back end a lot cycling it down low or to wingers. He doesn't even shoot a lot, with 38 total for the year on the PP so it's not a wonder.

For a team that wins by out scoring teams... the analogy would be you're cutting your nose off to save face over a pimple on it. You look better without the pimple but you've lost your nose!

Our PP scores more when Mo is on it than when Ghost is on it. And at 5on5 Ghost is quite literally the worst D we have at generating offense. His GF/60 at 5on5 is only better than Kostin, Czarnik, and Aston-Reese...

As for being the reason it got tied vs the Avs? He did the same thing he did in Philly for most of his career. He made a nothing pass with zero pressure to a forward on a wing that then created the goal.

 

[Frk It]

He's literally better than everyone on this roster at setting up the play on the back end. This is where you are really, really underestimating him. It is unreplaceable,(right now), He's part of the reason why our PP in a year went from bottom half(17th) to top 10(tied for 6th*).

Just this last game vs the Av's he's the reason it got tied with Perron/Larkin.

An you specially cherry-picked goals because he's got 20 assists on the PP out of 37 total points, it's cause he handles the puck on the back end a lot cycling it down low or to wingers. He doesn't even shoot a lot, with 38 total for the year on the PP so it's not a wonder.

For a team that wins by out scoring teams... the analogy would be you're cutting your nose off to save face over a pimple on it. You look better without the pimple but you've lost your nose!

If you have watched Ghost play hockey the last month or so and think that’s an asset we just can’t afford to lose, then we can leave it at that and agree to disagree. I think he’s played very poorly and looked pretty flat on the power play relative to what I’d expect him to him.

And I say this all as someone who was very excited to bring him in when he’s signed. I just don’t personally get how you can watch him play right now and still feel that way.

 

[Snuggs]

If you have watched Ghost play hockey the last month or so and think that’s an asset we just can’t afford to lose, then we can leave it at that and agree to disagree. I think he’s played very poorly and looked pretty flat on the power play relative to what I’d expect him to him.

And I say this all as someone who was very excited to bring him in when he’s signed. I just don’t personally get how you can watch him play right now and still feel that way.

Yeah, I guess so, I don't think you can trade him, receive a draft pick back and then expect to make the playoffs without other moves made. Which has always been the crux of this argument.

You can trade Maatta, get a pick, and become a better overall team with Edvinsson replacing him.

I just don't think that happens Edvinsson replacing Gostisbehere who's used as a PP specialist not a shutdown defender. Maybe next year with an offseason with coaches, players, staff in-general. Not now in season with 20 some games to go.

 

[RRhoads]

I think Maatta has been good in the defensive zone, but I hold my breath when he has the puck in the Ozone shooting pucks that are always blocked.

 

[Frk It]

Yeah, I guess so, I don't think you can trade him, receive a draft pick back and then expect to make the playoffs without other moves made. Which has always been the crux of this argument.

You can trade Maatta, get a pick, and become a better overall team with Edvinsson replacing him.

I just don't think that happens Edvinsson replacing Gostisbehere who's used as a PP specialist not a shutdown defender. Maybe next year with an offseason with coaches, players, staff in-general. Not now in season with 20 some games to go.

Well right on cue, makes a sick pass to get us on the board today

Maybe you will get me on your side after all

 

[Gniwder]

Last year he was thought to be on the way outta the league soon. What he has done this year is prove he can be a 40'sh point 2nd pair offensive d man again. So there I'd a higher chance he can retain a first or second rounder back in compensation.

Value is not static. It can vary year to year. If he is the premier offensive d on the block this deadline he will garner a top two round pick mouth breather.

WUT!?!?!

He had almost identical stats last season with a much shittier team. If anything he's been worse defensively this season, team worst -19.

He's not getting more than a third if that. Playoff teams don't want defensemen that can't play defense. If they're in the playoffs, they already have a PP QB. Usually team are looking to shore up their own end with guys like Brad Stuart or McDonagh.

I think Maatta has been good in the defensive zone, but I hold my breath when he has the puck in the Ozone shooting pucks that are always blocked.

For sure. He should not be allowed to shoot.... ever.

 

[norrisnick]

Well right on cue, makes a sick pass to get us on the board today

Maybe you will get me on your side after all

First ES point since before Christmas! He's on a heater

 

[Holden Caufield]

I’m not interested in giving Perron an extension.
I’m also not interested in trading Perron this year.

Let him expire. He served his purpose here well.
He is essentially a free deadline pickup…

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

there you go startin' rumors again...

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Everybody agrees, everybody agrees.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

I’m not interested in giving Perron an extension.
I’m also not interested in trading Perron this year.

Let him expire. He served his purpose here well.
He is essentially a free deadline pickup…

I think Perron resigns for 2 million or less for two years and retires a Wing.

I'm real interested to see how his game changes in the playoffs.

 

[WingsToPick4th]

Perron will be a beast in the playoffs, we should keep him this year and only sign him If he takes like 2 million + signing bonus.

If we can manage to get Kane at like 2-3 million with a fat signing bonus too It opens up room for a Guentzel/buch/Hanifin addition

 

[lilidk]

Perron will be a beast in the playoffs, we should keep him this year and only sign him If he takes like 2 million + signing bonus.

If we can manage to get Kane at like 2-3 million with a fat signing bonus too It opens up room for a Guentzel/buch/Hanifin addition

Kane probably will asking 5+ and I don't know if Perron will accept that kinda cut. Raymond should get long term, like 7 per. Seider should be under Larkin pay, but I expect bridge

 

[Gniwder]

Perron will be a beast in the playoffs, we should keep him this year and only sign him If he takes like 2 million + signing bonus.

If we can manage to get Kane at like 2-3 million with a fat signing bonus too It opens up room for a Guentzel/buch/Hanifin addition

Signing bonus counts against the cap in the NHL.

Kane probably will asking 5+ and I don't know if Perron will accept that kinda cut. Raymond should get long term, like 7 per. Seider should be under Larkin pay, but I expect bridge

Perron is taking a pay cut, he's ridiculously slow. Getting pretty close to Svech/Givani level. I don't see any other team paying him much over $2M, the big thing here is that Stevie doesn't outbid himself.

 

[WaW]

I get that Walman is a good, young, mobile defenseman but I wouldn't be so attached to him that I wouldn't listen for the right offers. You'd have your work cut out for you to fill the hole he leaves but if there's an opportunity to cash in on a trade, why not?

Because this team has 2 defensemen who are good enough to play consistent top 4 minutes against any team every single night, and Walman is one of them.

Maatta, Petry, Chiarot, Ghost, and Holl are all good at certain things can all rotate in and out of the bottom and middle pairs, but for a team that wants to be taken seriously, you can't definitively say that any one of those guys is a clear 5 v 5 2nd pairing guy every single night.

Like I get the whole "no one should he untouchable" mentality, but what you're suggesting here is that we should be willing to trade a legitimate face card and rely on even more low spades in plug and play roles.

 

[Winger98]

Like who honestly?

Idk a shining example...

Big name? Marty St. Louis. Small name...slater koekwhatever. Brett Connolly.

 

[ricky0034]

Big name? Marty St. Louis. Small name...slater koekwhatever. Brett Connolly.

St. Louis asked for a trade though

i'm sure Yzerman would probably trade Perron or Ghost if they did the same

 

[Snuggs]

Big name? Marty St. Louis. Small name...slater koekwhatever. Brett Connolly.

St.Louis netted them Callahan... and I think he requested the trade... It wouldn't be the same as like the Brett Connolly trade, which is a good example, that's a solid one of a productive player just shipped off for picks in a playoff race.

Ryan Callahan was even resigned I think.

 

[dj4aces]

I take anything on ESPN with a HUGE grain of salt, but it is interesting.

I would be shocked if they moved Perron before the deadline. He won't bring a lot in return and while I think it's an overused excuse he really does seem to be here for his leadership and mentorship. Even he talks about it and seems to look on his time here as paying it forward for the guys that helped him early in his career.

In terms of Dmen I wouldn't want anyone moved other than Holl, and maybe Ghost. But even Ghost is risky as they fight to make the playoffs.

It's honestly not the first time I've seen Perron trade talk mentioned. One of the Oilers beat writers (forget the name, doesn't really matter) mentioned it a few weeks ago. However, I'd say that it's more likely a Ken Holland wishlist item, not something the Wings were seriously considering. The fact that those talks never went anywhere tells me that it was as I describe.

On the D-men, I think it's entirely possible we can move Holl or Ghost for an upgrade... but it's also possible the contract for Holl is one with the future in mind, much like Chiarot's deal and how he's managed to turn it around and become more reliable. Maybe Holl too is stuck in a position where he's learning the system?

 

[The Real Pastafarian]

No. No to all of these trade suggestions.

No, don't trade Perron, a physical puck retriever with considerable playoff experience who's built for the whistle-in-the-pocket playoffs now, for a second round pick or less. (Unless some crazy GM offers you a better version of the same player -- but that's pretty unlikely, isn't it?)

No, don't trade Ghost Bear, when our PP is clicking at a rate that might dissuade teams from taking liberties. (Unless some crazy GM offers you a first rounder. Because Walman is serviceable in that PP role. But again: That's not going to happen.)

No, don't trade reliable defensive d-men like Maatta or Chiarot just before the playoffs for mid-round picks. No, of course not, do not trade Walman, a core piece.

 

[FMichael]

No. No to all of these trade suggestions.

No, don't trade Perron, a physical puck retriever with considerable playoff experience who's built for the whistle-in-the-pocket playoffs now, for a second round pick or less. (Unless some crazy GM offers you a better version of the same player -- but that's pretty unlikely, isn't it?)

No, don't trade Ghost Bear, when our PP is clicking at a rate that might dissuade teams from taking liberties. (Unless some crazy GM offers you a first rounder. Because Walman is serviceable in that PP role. But again: That's not going to happen.)

No, don't trade reliable defensive d-men like Maatta or Chiarot just before the playoffs for mid-round picks. No, of course not, do not trade Walman, a core piece.

Agreed…With the team playing the way they are why mess with it?

 

[Run the Jewels]

Ok Benchlund, ok

This board never forgets.