Value of: Mitch Marner

[TheBeastCoast]

Good 2nd line forwards do not command elite defensemen in return. Are you in la la land or something? I think he could return a Noah Hanifin or maybe a Povorov (sp)?

Definetly not a Seth Jones or a Slavin.

Good second line forward? Lol alright then. That's absolutely ridiculous.

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

Here's the funny thing...we have Rielly, Gardiner, Zaitsev and Hainsey.....so far this season:


My point to all of this is that we don't really need a "top 4D", we need an elite #1D. We have 4 guys that are easily #2-4 guys.

Are you so fascinated with this title of # 1 Dmen? (like so many others) Like Karlsson who misses the the playoff more often than not. Even Hedman miss the playoffs. So is there any magic to having those so called # 1 Dman? There is no guarantee it leads to instant and Cup success. Look at the Penguins last season, No Letang, and Hainsey led the team in playoff minutes by a Dman.

 

[Ulysses31]

Please tell me you are talking about Evander Kane and not Patrick...

you heard right

mitch marner is the real patrick kane.

 

[bluedevil58]

Good second line forward? Lol alright then. That's absolutely ridiculous.

Sure. He usually plays sheltered minutes on the 3rd line against weaker defensive pairings. He plays in the PP with Mathews, point I believe. Matthews also faces top defensive pairings. I'm not confident as of right now he can put up the same production on a team without an elite center due to being a product of Auston. I think he's good but not the 2nd coming like Leaf fans make him out to be. I base2my analsysis on right now at this point in time. It's unfair to go by potential or would go be because it hasn't happened yet.

Look at Skinner. Several though he wouk d be the next Brett Hull. Hasn't happened.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Sure. He usually plays sheltered minutes on the 3rd line against weaker defensive pairings. He plays in the PP with Mathews, point I believe. Matthews also faces top defensive pairings. I'm not confident as of right now he can put up the same production on a team without an elite center due to being a product of Auston. I think he's good but not the 2nd coming like Leaf fans make him out to be.

Not sure I can honestly take you seriously if you actually think this. First of all Marner and Matthews have played all of 2 games together on a line in their careers....they also play on separate powerplay units when Matthews is healthy with Marner running the leafs top unit. Add to that Marner has been on his best run of the season with Matthews out the last 3 weeks and somehow you missed on every point you tried to make. Trying to say Marner is anything but a first line winger is just flat out wrong.

 

[666]

Sure. He usually plays sheltered minutes on the 3rd line against weaker defensive pairings. He plays in the PP with Mathews, point I believe. Matthews also faces top defensive pairings. I'm not confident as of right now he can put up the same production on a team without an elite center due to being a product of Auston. I think he's good but not the 2nd coming like Leaf fans make him out to be. I base2my analsysis on right now at this point in time. It's unfair to go by potential or would go be because it hasn't happened yet.

Look at Skinner. Several though he wouk d be the next Brett Hull. Hasn't happened.

Matthews has been injured the last 8 games. Marner has 12 points in those 8 games.

 

[bluedevil58]

Not sure I can honestly take you seriously if you actually think this. First of all Marner and Matthews have played all of 2 games together on a line in their careers....they also play on separate powerplay units when Matthews is healthy with Marner running the leafs top unit. Add to that Marner has been on his best run of the season with Matthews out the last 3 weeks and somehow you missed on every point you tried to make. Trying to say Marner is anything but a first line winger is just flat out wrong.

Thank you for correcting my in the PP lines. Matthews out 3 weeks, Marner for once playing on a top line and doing well still doesn't command an elite d man. GMs go by long term stats . Not 3 week hot streaks. Especially when one racks up tons of points on the 3rd line through their shirt career. Months ago there were Marner for Fleury proposals out there due to how Fleury was playing at the time. There were also several leafs who wanted Marner for Hanifin.

 

[leafsfan1234]

Marner is a franchise player.. no way he is getting traded, especially not for the low end #2 Ds proposed in this thread.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Thank you for correcting my in the PP lines. Matthews out 3 weeks, Marner for once playing on a top line and doing well still doesn't command an elite d man. GMs go by king term stats . Not 3 week hit streaks. Especially when one racks up tons of points on the 3rd line.

He is over a point a game in his last 40 it isn't just the last 3 weeks. He has also been playing 5v5 with Kadri over his last 20 games and Kadri is anything but sheltered 5v5. Obviously when healthy Matthews is going to get other teams top players I just don't think that means Marner isn't a top line winger. He is capable of carrying a line and there are plenty of teams that have top talent spread onto multiple lines.

 

[Liferleafer]

Are you so fascinated with this title of # 1 Dmen? (like so many others) Like Karlsson who misses the the playoff more often than not. Even Hedman miss the playoffs. So is there any magic to having those so called # 1 Dman? There is no guarantee it leads to instant and Cup success. Look at the Penguins last season, No Letang, and Hainsey led the team in playoff minutes by a Dman.

Cool, you can use a team with Crosby/Malkin/Kessel as your example, and it's a good 1 as they have won 2 cups. I will use teams prior"
2015 Hawks-Keith (2 time Norris winner)
2014 Kings-Doughty (Norris winner)
2013 Hawks-Keith (2 time Norris winner)
2012 Kings-Doughty (Norris winner)
2011 Bruins-Chara (Norris winner)
2010 Hawks-Keith (2 time Norris winner)
2009 Penguins-Letang (No Norris, but legit #1D)
2008 Wings-Lidstrom (6 time Norris winner)
2007 Ducks-Pronger (Norris winner)/Neidermeyer (Norris winner)

You'd have to go all the way back to 2006 (Canes) to find a team that won the cup without a bonified #1D.

 

[bluedevil58]

Cool, you can use a team with Crosby/Malkin/Kessel as your example, and it's a good 1 as they have won 2 cups. I will use teams prior"
2015 Hawks-Keith (2 time Norris winner)
2014 Kings-Doughty (Norris winner)
2013 Hawks-Keith (2 time Norris winner)
2012 Kings-Doughty (Norris winner)
2011 Bruins-Chara (Norris winner)
2010 Hawks-Keith (2 time Norris winner)
2009 Penguins-Letang (No Norris, but legit #1D)
2008 Wings-Lidstrom (6 time Norris winner)
2007 Ducks-Pronger (Norris winner)/Neidermeyer (Norris winner)

You'd have to go all the way back to 2006 (Canes) to find a team that won the cup without a bonified #1D.

That defensive core was big time underrated.

Wesley, seidenberg, babchuck, Commodore, hedican, wallin. One could argue Wesley was a #1D.

 

[jrs]

Send you myers+ for him

 

[HOPE]

Marner is a franchise player.. no way he is getting traded, especially not for the low end #2 Ds proposed in this thread.

Fan if marner since day 1 here, even being a montrealer.

Franchise player? Lol

 

[Liferleafer]

That defensive core was big time underrated.

Wesley, seidenberg, babchuck, Commodore, hedican, wallin. One could argue Wesley was a #1D.

I wasn't knocking that D, in fact, it further proves my point that to win, you need a legit 1D.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Franchise player. Like gaudreau.

Will need comparable return.

 

[Placid Perspicuity]

I’m always surprised by the number of posters that like to present their “analysis” of players they don’t watch. Bluedevil gets everything wrong in his first post, gets corrected, admits it was incorrect, then doubles down his opinion. It’s posts like these that other uninformed posters read and repeat, and incorrect information becomes used as “facts” on HF Boards.

I understand if you want to be part of the conversation, but why make up information?

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Send you myers+ for him

Brown + for Trouba

 

[shortfuze]

Sure. He usually plays sheltered minutes on the 3rd line against weaker defensive pairings. He plays in the PP with Mathews, point I believe. Matthews also faces top defensive pairings. I'm not confident as of right now he can put up the same production on a team without an elite center due to being a product of Auston. I think he's good but not the 2nd coming like Leaf fans make him out to be. I base2my analsysis on right now at this point in time. It's unfair to go by potential or would go be because it hasn't happened yet.

Look at Skinner. Several though he wouk d be the next Brett Hull. Hasn't happened.

Already been answered

 

[rent free]

Marner has alot more value than Parayko, Hamilton, Ekblad and Trouba. OEL can be argued.

marner doesn't have more value than any of those guys

 

[Tavares to Marner]

marner doesn't have more value than any of those guys

Out of all he has more value, or arguably equal to Trouba, lots of leaf homers overrating Marner in this thread though

Hes a good 60 point winger

 

[rent free]

Out of all he has more value, or arguably equal to Trouba, lots of leaf homers overrating Marner in this thread though

Hes a good 60 point winger

yup but those guys are top pairing dman

 

[Menzinger]

Out of all he has more value, or arguably equal to Trouba, lots of leaf homers overrating Marner in this thread though

Hes a good 60 point winger

60 points as a sophomore - he hasn’t entered his prime yet.

Potential for growth (especially when it’s a near certainty that he will improve) adds value.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Cool, you can use a team with Crosby/Malkin/Kessel as your example, and it's a good 1 as they have won 2 cups. I will use teams prior"
2015 Hawks-Keith (2 time Norris winner)
2014 Kings-Doughty (Norris winner)
2013 Hawks-Keith (2 time Norris winner)
2012 Kings-Doughty (Norris winner)
2011 Bruins-Chara (Norris winner)
2010 Hawks-Keith (2 time Norris winner)
2009 Penguins-Letang (No Norris, but legit #1D)
2008 Wings-Lidstrom (6 time Norris winner)
2007 Ducks-Pronger (Norris winner)/Neidermeyer (Norris winner)

You'd have to go all the way back to 2006 (Canes) to find a team that won the cup without a bonified #1D.

No, you only have to go back to 2017.

 

[johnnybbadd]

Too many opinions are made on these boards looking at stats sheets and zone starts. Anyone please just watch Marner play. He is the real deal and a dynamic offensive player. He’s the best playmaker the Leafs have had since The Gilmour days. That is all I have to say.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Is there even a reason to keep this thread open? At the time it was made we know that Marner was not playing at the level he currently is at and there is little chance the Leafs are going to trade him.