Mackinnon Vs Barkov

[Cats2TheCup]

Crosby has been a pretty "fragile" player in the past. McDavid and Matthews haven't A)been in the league long enough to be considered fragile yet and B) haven't been missing games consistently. Yes McDavid missed half the season his rookie year but he also has played a full season, something Barkov can yet claim to have done in 4 seasons, not 2 and a half. So yes I think it's more than fair to call Barkov a fragile player if he's going to miss ~20 games a year, but that doesn't mean Barkov is a bad player.

"Crosby has been a pretty fragile player IN THE PAST." That would imply he is no longer fragile. Which would imply that missing games in the past has no reflection on the current status of a players health. Yet you say Barkov is however fragile now because he missed games years ago and ONE GAME this season. Interesting logic. Barkov right now is healthier than Matthews. Guess Matthews must be COMPLETELY shattered...

 

[The Abusement Park]

"Crosby has been a pretty fragile player IN THE PAST." That would imply he is no longer fragile. Which would imply that missing games in the past has no reflection on the current status of a players health. Yet you say Barkov is however fragile now because he missed games years ago and ONE GAME this season. Interesting logic. Barkov right now is healthier than Matthews. Guess Matthews must be COMPLETELY shattered...

Crosby in the last 4 years has missed an average of 4 games per season. Not very fragile, Barkov has missed like 17-18 games a year on average, that's a big difference. But yes he's been healthy this season so far, but there's still another ~50 games to go well see if he can make it the rest of the way.

 

[mattcookefan]

hopefully MacKinnon can finish above 53 points

He needs 18 more points

must feel nice to have selected the 4th best player in the draft

Lolwut. The 4th best player in the draft just outplayed your boy last night, and has been outplaying him this season

 

[Howboutthempanthers]

My favorite thing about this thread is the guy who keeps repeating the Avs/MacKinnon were successful on home ice like that means it doesn't count...when the Avs just beat the Panthers on the road last Saturday! He scored in that game too. Barkov was, as is now customary, injured...

Does striking gold on a second overall ultra elite talent with super-intangibles (Toews, eat your heart out!) make up for burning a first overall pick on Ekblad? Just wondering.

L. O. (freaking) L.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Mac is more explosive. Barkov has the better brain and size. Yes the injuries are a factor, but I'd rather gamble on the guy I think has the better package at this point. That's Barkov.

 

[Goulet17]

It seems to me that you can't really go wrong with either. Barkov is a big, two-way center that could develop along the lines of a Kopitar. Obviously, he would be a franchise cornerstone in that role.

MacKinnon is a more dynamic scorer and driver of offense, but I am not sure who I would compare him to long term.

In either event, it seems like both fan bases should be happy.

 

[cgf]

It seems to me that you can't really go wrong with either. Barkov is a big, two-way center that could develop along the lines of a Kopitar. Obviously, he would be a franchise cornerstone in that role.

MacKinnon is a more dynamic scorer and driver of offense, but I am not sure who I would compare him to long term.

In either event, it seems like both fan bases should be happy.

A more explosive & less d**chie pre-knee-injury Roenick

 

[Mac2Rants]

Hmm, Mac. really wanted barkov when sakic said they were going to take him but, id pick mac again just way to much talent and hes finally got a team around him that can produce abit.

 

[Jarey Curry]

We can throw hundreds of facts and numbers but we ain't gonna get Barkov fans to like MacKinnon more or MacKinnon fans to like Barkov more...
So it all comes down to which one of these franchise center caliber players you prefer.
Big, strong, skilled two way monster with high hockey IQ or fast, strong, skilled high octane offensive force who can outplay the opponent d multiple ways. Think about a team that could have them both 1-2 punch. Glorious...

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

I will say MacKinnon.

But I'm close to losing patience with him relative to others.

 

[Foppberg]

I will say MacKinnon.

But I'm close to losing patience with him relative to others.

 

[Balthazar]

I will say MacKinnon.

But I'm close to losing patience with him relative to others.

What do you mean losing patience?

 

[tucker3434]

I will say MacKinnon.

But I'm close to losing patience with him relative to others.

You watching this season?

 

[cgf]

What do you mean losing patience?

I mean it's been 32 games and MacK hasn't even hit 50 points yet. Is 33 points in his last 22 games really enough to satiate you?

 

[Lemonlimey]

You are losing patience with a 22 year old who won the Calder trophy and makes every Avs game this season worth watching single handedly?

 

[22FUTON9]

Im obviously bias so gonna pick Mackinnon but honestly if you look at what they've done so far in the nhl barkov does has the edge.

Mackinnon's really starting to breakout though so I don't think you can say ainec either way. Both probably top 10 centers real soon, if not already

 

[Lemonlimey]

Love Barkov dearly (believed he was who the Avs would draft with the #2 pick, which Sakic even confirmed at one point).

One of the great values of HFboards though are threads like these with all the "Barkov AINEC" comments to so clearly demonstrate how folks just don't get to see Mack enough to understand whats happening here. Its special and fun to be a part of. Somehow the Calder win and playoff domination at 18 went down a memory hole. With Rantanen on his wing, the highest scoring Finn in the nHL, its time to enjoy the show.

Its unfair to hold injuries against a player, could happen to anyone. Forsberg was robbed the back 9 of his career by a bad ankle.

 

[Little Bobby Boo]

Answer is the same as a couple years ago.

Both great players.

Mack is more explosive and will get more points, Barkov is a more rounded player.

Can't go wrong here

 

[the_fan]

Don't even count MacKinnon's previous years when voting because his development was slowed down by a coach like Roy. If MacKinnon had a better coach since coming into the league, he'd be outplaying Barkov now career wise and not just this year

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

According to the Polls

Matthews > Barkov
Mackinnon > Matthews
Barkov > Mackinnon

 

[DaJackal]

Voted for Barkov just in order to see the results, but if I take my Finnish homer glasses off, it is too early to tell tbh. Both are looking great.

 

[tucker3434]

According to the Polls

Matthews > Barkov
Mackinnon > Matthews
Barkov > Mackinnon

This is a going forward poll. The Matthews/MacKinnon poll is right now.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

Mackinnon. I doubt Barkov will ever reach the level Mack is at right now. Then again, I have my doubts whether Mack can be this incredible in other seasons.


Mackinnon is better now and has the higher ceiling.

 

[missionAvs]

Mackinnon. I doubt Barkov will ever reach the level Mack is at right now. Then again, I have my doubts whether Mack can be this incredible in other seasons.


Mackinnon is better now and has the higher ceiling.

This is the right answer IMO. MacK is better this season and has looked lights out but we need to see if this is sustainable. If so, then it becomes a no brainer I think but if not, then things become interesting.

The question will always be, how many points does MacK need to score to outweigh Barkov's two way advantage and how big of an advantage really is that? These two players will sort of always be tied together IMO.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

I'm going with Nathan. He is a big-time offensive force. Aleksander is a very good player too but gimme Mack on this 1.