Looking Back at the Leafs two years ago and what it means for rebuilding teams

[joe dirte]

The intent doesn't matter, you still drafted in the top5/top10 for a decade. You're still reaping the benefits of that.

that's the idea of a rebuild?!?!?!?!?! reaping the benefits of stocking up on youth. given the results so far I'd say theyve done it right no? or are you trying to argue they were rebuilding all along?

 

[Brobust]

Not sure ask a Devils fan.

You're not a leafs fan either and that's not stopping you from commenting in this thread. I offered an example that goes against your point. A point that has more examples going against it than those for it, by the way.

 

[BFLO]

we weren't rebuilding in 2012 and 2014 and 2009 was a different rebuild. i agree with you that we are reaping the benefits but you're wrong in implying that we've been rebuilding for a decade.

So what you're saying is that past failures don't count.

That's like saying that the Sabres rebuild started in 2017 with the hire of GMBott, but only if gmbott turns things around. Ignore everything before the current regime. Tim Murray's failure doesn't count as the rebuild and never happened.

It's asinine.

 

[rent free]

So what you're saying is that past failures don't count.

That's like saying that the Sabres rebuild started in 2017 with the hire of GMBott, but only if gmbott turns things around. Ignore everything before the current regime. Tim Murray's failure doesn't count as the rebuild and never happened.

It's asinine.

yup. past failures don't count and your example is asinine

 

[BFLO]

It's like Leafs fans are trying to pretend they were only bad for 2 seasons instead of 8.

Lets call a spade a spade.

The Leafs were consistently bad for 8 out of 9 seasons starting in 2007, ending in 2016. They appear to be poised to consistently be in the playoffs going forward.

The sabres have been consistently bad since 2012, that's 6 seasons of being bad. 2 more to go to match the Leafs. 5 more to match Edmonton

The Oilers have been consistently bad since 05/06. That's 11 out of 12 seasons, with 1 apparent fluke playoff appearance and 1 series victory last season.

 

[Tryblot]

yup. past failures don't count and your example is asinine

It's literally the exact same. Burkes failures don't count and they're not included in what happened after shanahan took over.

 

[rent free]

It's literally the exact same. Burkes failures don't count and they're not included in what happened after shanahan took over.

Yup.

 

[pucky]

The Leafs are way overrated. Their rebuild might have been okay but it's just because how awful they were before. If you watch them against Pittsburgh, you can see how far they are from being a legitimate contender. They are horrible without the puck.

 

[pucky]

If the Leafs' rebuild includes Gardiner and Zaitsev, they're not going anywhere. Between the two of them, they probably have a negative value for a hockey IQ. Both are pathetic (especially Gardiner) but are put on as a tandem. Rebuilds don't work if you have a bunch of crap along with a few star players - ask Edmonton?

 

[Tryblot]

The Leafs are way overrated. Their rebuild might have been okay but it's just because how awful they were before. If you watch them against Pittsburgh, you can see how far they are from being a legitimate contender. They are horrible without the puck.

Honestly when I watch them
Play the blues they look absolutely terrible.

 

[Cleatus]

The Leafs are way overrated. Their rebuild might have been okay but it's just because how awful they were before. If you watch them against Pittsburgh, you can see how far they are from being a legitimate contender. They are horrible without the puck.

Lol, keep it up, you’re jinxing the mighty Penguins.

Honestly when I watch them
Play the blues they look absolutely terrible.

Because 1 bad game is what makes a team.

 

[pucky]

Lol, keep it up, you’re jinxing the mighty Penguins.
Because 1 bad game is what makes a team.

LOL?!? One game?!? That's why everyone and I mean, everyone, talks about Andersen saving their season. They rely on him every game and I suppose the 57 shots last game wasn't indicative of anything, right? It might not be near 60 shots every game but without the puck, this team is below average and they have had a problem for several consecutive seasons, with poor D or looking to upgrade their D core.

LOL, one game. That's a good one! Congrats on a funny joke, man.

 

[pucky]

Cleatus, do you want to change your opinion yet?

 

[Cleatus]

Cleatus, do you want to change your opinion yet?

If it makes you happy, sure.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

Finish last. Win the draft lottery. Get high picks in other years and do a decent job of drafting. Hire a good but not great coach. Spend lots of money and guys who know what they're doing in the front office. Lower everyone's expectations.

My Best-Carey

Edmonton says hello and they still haven't gotten it right

 

[SillyRabbit]

So If GM Botteril is successful with the Sabres, then the rebuild started in 2017? Everything that came before doesn't count because it was a failure?[/QUOTE]

If the vast majority if the roster is brought in by him including the top three scorers then yes.

But it’s unlikely to happen as Eichel and Ristolainen are better than anything the Leafs had prior to the Shannahan signing.

 

[frisco]

they were a basement team just 2 years ago, who many predicted would require 5+ years to recover. would you say theyve made a lot ofbgreat moves to get where they are now?

The "many" that predicted 5+ years was one (Babcock) just to lower expectations and make himself look good. With the picks Toronto has had the past decade, if they're not a playoff team by now it would be complete incompetence. Any average hockey man could've done the same as the god-like Shanahan.

My Best-Carey

 

[egelband]

First...Win the lottery a couple times. Become a contender. Then...Have some luck and good health and maybe a hot goalie. Win a cup.

 

[LeafFever]

LOL?!? One game?!? That's why everyone and I mean, everyone, talks about Andersen saving their season. They rely on him every game and I suppose the 57 shots last game wasn't indicative of anything, right? It might not be near 60 shots every game but without the puck, this team is below average and they have had a problem for several consecutive seasons, with poor D or looking to upgrade their D core.

LOL, one game. That's a good one! Congrats on a funny joke, man.

Please see their record and where they are in the standings before you go on the rant about how bad they've been all season. They are 7th overall and on pace for 103 points.
They are supposed to be so horrific defensively according to HF, yet they are 13th in GA.
If anything, they are underrated on here.
The Pens are maybe the cup favourite right now and did you see their D? They gave up a lot of scoring chances and made a ,lot of defensive errors.

 

[DatSnipeMatthews]

The Leafs are way overrated. Their rebuild might have been okay but it's just because how awful they were before. If you watch them against Pittsburgh, you can see how far they are from being a legitimate contender. They are horrible without the puck.

Um the Pens gave up like 4 breakaways and multiple two on ones. If anything, the Leafs D coverage might have been a bit better, especially in terms of odd-man rushes.

 

[LeafFever]

First...Win the lottery a couple times. Become a contender. Then...Have some luck and good health and maybe a hot goalie. Win a cup.

They won the lottery once... They acquired that goalie themselves out of many who were available. It is their own doing.

 

[joe dirte]

If the Leafs' rebuild includes Gardiner and Zaitsev, they're not going anywhere. Between the two of them, they probably have a negative value for a hockey IQ. Both are pathetic (especially Gardiner) but are put on as a tandem. Rebuilds don't work if you have a bunch of crap along with a few star players - ask Edmonton?

yes you're right they're terrible.

 

[LeafFever]

If the Leafs' rebuild includes Gardiner and Zaitsev, they're not going anywhere. Between the two of them, they probably have a negative value for a hockey IQ. Both are pathetic (especially Gardiner) but are put on as a tandem. Rebuilds don't work if you have a bunch of crap along with a few star players - ask Edmonton?

The Leafs and Oilers have nothing in common at this point. The Oilers have mediocre players to go with Mcdavid because their GM has robbed them of their organizational depth due to bad trades and signings. The Leafs have just brought up a great D prospect (Dermott's defensive #'s are great)who looks terrific and is helping them. They also have guys in their bottom 6 forwards who are better than guys in the Oilers top 6.(The hottest AHL forward right now is a 7th round pick of the Leafs).
Yes, the Leafs are going places with Gardiner and Zaitsev. It's a team game and the Leafs are stacked with depth. There are cup winning teams that have guys worse than Gardiner and Zaitsev in their lineup. The Pens D would have had both in the top 4 last Spring.

 

[zeke]

The Leafs are way overrated. Their rebuild might have been okay but it's just because how awful they were before. If you watch them against Pittsburgh, you can see how far they are from being a legitimate contender. They are horrible without the puck.

the leafs defense gave up far fewer high danger chances than the pens' cup winning, cup favorite defense did last night.

 

[crackdown44]

They won the lottery once... They acquired that goalie themselves out of many who were available. It is their own doing.

I think the plan wasn’t to be this good this fast but getting Matthews changed the plan quite a bit imo