Player Discussion Dougie Hamilton

[InfinityIggy]

The only deal I can see making sense is something like JVR + Gardiner for Hamilton + Cap Space + Roster player.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Yeah he's really rounded into form. He's been our best player the last 6 games and honestly he has shown flashes of Victor Hedman and Ryan Suter. It will cost a lot to acquire this guy.

I would do something around Marner or Matthews. Leafs won't. Can't see a deal to be made.

 

[Calculon]

Anything around JVR doesn't really make sense. Flames' depth when fully healthy on the left wing is Gaudreau-Tkachuk-Bennett/Stajan-Ferland at the moment. Longterm, JVR isn't supplanting Gaudreau or Tkachuk so why would they give up a 6'5" top pairing right hand shot defenceman for a third line left winger?

If the Flames do trade Hamilton (which they shouldn't) to the Leafs (please no) then anything short of the big three should be grounds for terminating all of King/Burke/Treliving/Conroy etc.

 

[InfinityIggy]

Anything around JVR doesn't really make sense. Flames' depth when fully healthy on the left wing is Gaudreau-Tkachuk-Bennett/Stajan-Ferland at the moment. Longterm, JVR isn't supplanting Gaudreau or Tkachuk so why would they give up a 6'5" top pairing right hand shot defenceman for a third line left winger?

If the Flames do trade Hamilton (which they shouldn't) to the Leafs (please no) then anything short of the big three should be grounds for terminating all of King/Burke/Treliving/Conroy etc.

I agree with you regarding trading Hamilton. For some reason I was thinking Tkachuk was RW naturally. Makes no sense to target JVR with our depth on LW.

 

[moon111]

Also hearing Rangers interested.

What has this poor D-man done to make these rumours come up?

 

[BigRangy]

He had a poor first month paired with Kevin while the entire team was floundering and everyone knows but won't admit that he is a fantastic defenseman that will be a fixture on a top pair for a long time in this league, so they want to get him cheap while they can.

Just vultures.

 

[Lunatik]

Also hearing Rangers interested.

What has this poor D-man done to make these rumours come up?

He plays for a team whose President believes "If Gretzky can be traded, anyone can." So Treliving listens to offers and you get rumor mongers reporting that the Flames are listening, when the reality is that every GM in the league should be listening to all offers or they shouldn't be employed. But because Montreal was "listening" to offers on Subban they have new hope that just listening will result in something, unless our Weber-like return comes around Dougie is going nowhere. One thing is for certain, Jesus Van Riemsdyk would not be apart of that return.

 

[Flameshomer]

He had a poor first month paired with Kevin while the entire team was floundering and everyone knows but won't admit that he is a fantastic defenseman that will be a fixture on a top pair for a long time in this league, so they want to get him cheap while they can.

Just vultures.

The smell of the early death of the Flames playoff hopes attracted them.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

I'd trade Hamilton for a defenseman of the same age, potential, and current playing ability. Nothing less.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

I'd trade Hamilton for a defenseman of the same age, potential, and current playing ability. Nothing less.

I would trade Hamilton for an elite defensive defenseman like Chris Tanev + a 40-goal-upside prospect RW like Brock Boeser. I don't think there's a 1:1 Dougie trade that really makes sense. Definitely not the junk usually thrown around (Hamonic, Trouba, Gardiner+JVR). I kind of prefer Hamilton over Justin Faulk too but I have never been impressed by Fauok unlike most.

 

[herashak]

i'd assume nylander would be the main piece coming back. If that did happen the flames really would have to go after Alzner.

 

[BigRangy]

u24 defensemen who are outpacing Dougie this year:

Werenski
DeAngelo
Severson
Rielly

only Severson is on a team that a bigger tire fire offensively. (I should probably get to know more about him, he seems pretty good)

everyone thinks Dougie has been so bad this season when it's not even close to the case. his defensive shortcomings (which do exist) are no worse than those of the Seth Jones' or Justin Faulks of the league.

Dougie is the future, if you trade him there is none

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

Yeah, DeAngelo and Severson are underszied. Rielly is good but the Leafs with Marner Matthews Nylander have been lighting it up in general offensively so take it with a grain of salt. Werenski is legit though, between him, Provorov and Kylington the 2015 draft will produce three elite defensemen.

 

[Backlund]

u24 defensemen who are outpacing Dougie this year:

Werenski
DeAngelo
Severson
Rielly

only Severson is on a team that a bigger tire fire offensively. (I should probably get to know more about him, he seems pretty good)

everyone thinks Dougie has been so bad this season when it's not even close to the case. his defensive shortcomings (which do exist) are no worse than those of the Seth Jones' or Justin Faulks of the league.

Dougie is the future, if you trade him there is none

Also how many of these players have had 3 different coaches the past 3 years and were forced to learn and adjust to a new systems. Hamilton is one of the last players we should be trading right now.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

u24 defensemen who are outpacing Dougie this year:

Werenski
DeAngelo
Severson
Rielly

only Severson is on a team that a bigger tire fire offensively. (I should probably get to know more about him, he seems pretty good)

everyone thinks Dougie has been so bad this season when it's not even close to the case. his defensive shortcomings (which do exist) are no worse than those of the Seth Jones' or Justin Faulks of the league.

Dougie is the future, if you trade him there is none

I don't think anyone here is advocating actually trading him. Hence the whole 'we need someone exactly like him back' or a way better package (tanev and a great prospect) even though personally I think tanev is overrated so not a fan of that particular one.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

I'd move Dougie for Reilly, but that's probably it on the Leafs.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

I'd move Dougie for Reilly, but that's probably it on the Leafs.

Why? Dougie is outperforming him.

 

[Calculon]

Morgan Rielly's a LHS, so no interest there. Would have to get a RHS back to justify a trade, e.g. Hamonic+Strome for Hamilton+Shinkaruk/Brouwer.

Would really rather just keep Hamilton though.

 

[Backlund]

Morgan Rielly's a LHS, so no interest there. Would have to get a RHS back to justify a trade, e.g. Hamonic+Strome for Hamilton+Shinkaruk/Brouwer.

Would really rather just keep Hamilton though.

We could just put Brodie back on the right side.

Giordano - Brodie
Rielly - Wideman
Kulak - Engelland

 

[Calculon]

We could just put Brodie back on the right side.

Giordano - Brodie
Rielly - Wideman
Kulak - Engelland

Neither Wideman nor Engelland will likely be back next season, so unless the Flames rush Andersson, or Morisson takes a giant step forward in his development, they'll be left with no RHS.

Hamilton fills a giant hole on the team trading him would really only re-open that hole.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

We could just put Brodie back on the right side.

Giordano - Brodie
Rielly - Wideman
Kulak - Engelland

It's a sideways move then. Plus Hamilton is better this season.

 

[Lunatik]

Neither Wideman nor Engelland will likely be back next season, so unless the Flames rush Andersson, or Morisson takes a giant step forward in his development, they'll be left with no RHS.

Hamilton fills a giant hole on the team trading him would really only re-open that hole.

Sign Michael Stone this summer

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

Sign Michael Stone this summer

Terrible possession stats even relative to a horrible team nearly every year of his career, and only one good scoring season beside one of the best offensive defensemen in the world on a team desperate for offense.

No thank you. Keep Hamilton, push hard for Alzner, or another d.

 

[BigRangy]

Young RHS d-men that are comparable in play to Dougie right now:

Ekblad
Parayko
Risto
Klingberg
Larsson
Jones


I definitely prefer Dougie to everyone but Ekblad. Parayko, Klingberg, Larsson and Risto are close, but they'd be lateral moves at the absolute best. I don't like Jones' game at all but I can acknowledge that other people do like him.

 

[Backlund]

It's a sideways move then. Plus Hamilton is better this season.

Yeah I wasn't saying we should do it but moving him for a LHD wouldn't be the end of the world.

And with the way we're playing we might have Liljegren on our roster next season.