Speculation: Armchair GM - 2023 Off-Season Thread

[CBJWerenski8]

I'm not sure how valuable it will be at the trade deadline, because it's likely to belong to Calgary by tomorrow at noon. If that's the case it's likely around pick 20.

Yeah, no, it isn't.

 

[5th Line Fanatic]

Yeah, no, it isn't.

Which is it, yeah or no?

 

[LetsGOJackets!!]

I dont remember what he was dealt for but I know he went to 2 other teams before Vegas

because he was dealt for nothing. Karlsson was lost to protect the goalie slot from McPhee, Kolesar was traded for a LV 2nd rounder that became Texier.. so a blind squirrel finds a nut but man we could use the talented Power forward that Keegan is becoming.

 

[stevo61]

because he was dealt for nothing. Karlsson was lost to protect the goalie slot from McPhee, Kolesar was traded for a LV 2nd rounder that became Texier.. so a blind squirrel finds a nut but man we could use the talented Power forward that Keegan is becoming.

He traded Kolesar because they clearly valued Texier so Im not sure how thats blind squirrel finds a nut. Kolesar is basically a bigger Olivier and people dont even want him in our lineup. They are both good 4th liners but nothing more.

Actually hes not even bigger, I thought he had more of a size advantage on Olivier so thats not even different.

 

[Fro]

Without looking tell me who we traded Jonathon Marchessault for.. draft well, and develop and allow these guys to work their way into the lineup. Broken teams end up with ex-players doing well all over the league. I think we have drafted really well. I hope to some day see Malatesta, Dumais, Brindley, Whiteclaw in Nationwide. I know they cannot all make it but please God don't trade them away just because someone else is taller or heavier.

edit: I was in no way implying that CBJ would be SC Champs, only that we have had some really talented guys and gave them away in bad decisions. Hindsight is 20/20

I mean I know it was Matt teromina and one other

 

[LetsGOJackets!!]

He traded Kolesar because they clearly valued Texier so Im not sure how thats blind squirrel finds a nut. Kolesar is basically a bigger Olivier and people dont even want him in our lineup. They are both good 4th liners but nothing more.

Actually hes not even bigger, I thought he had more of a size advantage on Olivier so thats not even different.

I think they traded Kolesar for a pick that was used to draft Texier in round 2 - pretty sure of that. Kolesar was deemed expendable because we had Josh Anderson in the Power forward role. Then he got hurt and ultimately traded for Domi (who actually has played ok for two teams since). Don't sleep on Keegan though, he has some skill.

I agree with you that they wouldn't be SC Champs.. but the Jackets could have used their skill.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Which is it, yeah or no?

It's no.

 

[stevo61]

I think they traded Kolesar for a pick that was used to draft Texier in round 2 - pretty sure of that. Kolesar was deemed expendable because we had Josh Anderson in the Power forward role. Then he got hurt and ultimately traded for Domi (who actually has played ok for two teams since). Don't sleep on Keegan though, he has some skill.

I was very high on Kolesar and watched many Seattle games because of him. I was very sad to see him traded but yeah I know he was specifically traded for the Texier pick.

That said I think Olivier is on the same level skill wise and hes the one being slept on. If Vegas didnt go on a run and eventually win we wouldnt even be talking about Kolesar.

 

[Jovavic]

Berni and Bjork back

Berni hasn't signed his offer yet

 

[Jovavic]

Believe JAM was with the Rangers before coming here so we weren't even the first ones to move on from him.

 

[5th Line Fanatic]

It's no.

Like, literally?

I'm just f-ing with you.

We're going to go get a legit 1C and a lot of you are going to gnash teeth and clutch pearls, but by God we're trying to build a champion here and you do that with Veterans and grown men that can play the game at the highest level. You don't do that with kids.

You are going to taste sweet victory rather than just the constant tease of perpetual prospects. Embrace it!

 

[LetsGOJackets!!]

I was very high on Kolesar and watched many Seattle games because of him. I was very sad to see him traded but yeah I know he was specifically traded for the Texier pick.

That said I think Olivier is on the same level skill wise and hes the one being slept on. If Vegas didnt go on a run and eventually win we wouldnt even be talking about Kolesar.

Just looked at the dates.. you have a good memory. I watch a lot of LV games. Hope you are right on Olivier. I haven't seen it yet.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Like, literally?

I'm just f-ing with you.

We're going to go get a legit 1C and a lot of you are going to gnash teeth and clutch pearls, but by God we're trying to build a champion here and you do that with Veterans and grown men that can play the game at the highest level. You don't do that with kids.

You are going to taste sweet victory rather than just the constant tease of perpetual prospects. Embrace it!

I think you have already seen the Jackets biggest moves of the summer. I won't be surprised if he does add a center but its not an absolute necessity anymore (by his own admission) so its not likely to be anything huge.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Trading the 2024 draft pick is reckless and irresponsible. Do not trade that pick

 

[majormajor]

Wheeler would be terrible; he's why Winnipeg's culture has been a toxic wasteland (Scheifele just backed him up).

I think a large part of that was exaggerated by Laine superfans.

Wheeler is also still a very good player.

Doing so would have cost us a 1st.

If he's willing to play for a one-year prove-it deal I'd say "sure, give it a shot", but given how productive he's still been on the wing I kind of doubt it.

I'd much rather have a guy who errs on the side of pushing too hard like Wheeler rather than a guy we know won't put in the effort in Duchene.

I'm not keen on adding anyone but if I was Wheeler would be on my list.

 

[VT]

I think a large part of that was exaggerated by Laine superfans.

Wheeler is also still a very good player.



I'd much rather have a guy who errs on the side of pushing too hard like Wheeler rather than a guy we know won't put in the effort in Duchene.

I'm not keen on adding anyone but if I was Wheeler would be on my list.

To me, the way he played when the team needed it most, Paul Stastny's statement and reaction to Rick Bowness' words, is enough. I hope I never see him here again. Same goes for Scheifele.

Like, literally?

I'm just f-ing with you.

We're going to go get a legit 1C and a lot of you are going to gnash teeth and clutch pearls, but by God we're trying to build a champion here and you do that with Veterans and grown men that can play the game at the highest level. You don't do that with kids.

You are going to taste sweet victory rather than just the constant tease of perpetual prospects. Embrace it!

Perhaps with the exception of St. Louis and Vegas (and even they got lucky with Jack Eichel) all the teams that won the SC had top centers drafted.

Therefore, to trade a soon to be 30 year old center into the top 6 is rather odd, to say the least. It reminds me Rangers policy of taking everything that "bad lies" and then not playing in the PO.

 

[Marioesque]

I think a large part of that was exaggerated by Laine superfans.

Laine superfans stripped him off C and paid millions just to get rid of him?

Some Jets fans recognized him for a problem then, many didn't. Those who didn't then, won't admit they were wrong now. They'll keep excusing him, even though the stripping of captaincy and buyout happened well after Laine left.

They bet on the wrong horse, I knew it then and time proved it. The Wheeler fans will pretend they really enjoyed his last few years for 8.25 mil per

 

[BB88]

I think a large part of that was exaggerated by Laine superfans.

Wheeler is also still a very good player.



I'd much rather have a guy who errs on the side of pushing too hard like Wheeler rather than a guy we know won't put in the effort in Duchene.

I'm not keen on adding anyone but if I was Wheeler would be on my list.

They really haven’t, Winnipeg has been a complete sh.. show.

 

[Marioesque]

If I want anything right now to improve the team in a big way, it's either Gibson or Raanta. I would also be fine with Korpi.

 

[VT]

If I want anything right now to improve the team in a big way, it's either Gibson or Raanta. I would also be fine with Korpi.

And then we'll enjoy at how Gibson/Raanta are playing great forgetting that we have a great coach and a better defense. It's tough with Elvis. On the one hand he has a horrible salary to play/money ratio, on the other if he recovers he can still be cheap.

 

[Youngguns80]

And then we'll enjoy at how Gibson/Raanta are playing great forgetting that we have a great coach and a better defense. It's tough with Elvis. On the one hand he has a horrible salary to play/money ratio, on the other if he recovers he can still be cheap.

As I stated earlier you can not gamble on Elvis bouncing back and need some insurance. Also you need a veteran top 6 center for short term if you can get it.

 

[koteka]

Askarov would be the perfect option here, taking the lead over Elvis in 1 or 2 years

The only way Trotz is trading Askarov to Columbus is a deal that centers on something like Jiricek and Elvis for Askarov +. They’ll be looking for a premium asset for Askarov, and knowing Trotz he’ll want a defenseman. They’ll probably take a cap dump to get Jiricek.

 

[VT]

As I stated earlier you can not gamble on Elvis bouncing back and need some insurance. Also you need a veteran top 6 center for short term if you can get it.

We will not be a contender next season. So thanks to Fantilli's draft pick, acquiring a center isn't that important anymore.

Everyone should get a chance, we'll see. But trading him would be a problem for the big salary to his play in the last 3 seasons and M-NTC.

 

[DoingItCoolKiwi]

Wheeler is also still a very good player.

Wheeler can still pass the puck very well, but that's it. There's nothing more of value left in his game, and it'll only get worse at 37 years old.

 

[DJA]

Of course, Twitter is down on the day of free agency opening.

Elon hates the NHL (e5)