One player is shooting above his career shooting percentage and one player is shooting vastly below his career shooting percentage. Can you guess which one is which?
Yeah because Stutzle is better offensively. But Raymond is better defensively. Stutzle is still the better player. But not by a gigantic margin. There’s nobody dying on any hills, don’t fret.
I'm not saying Raymond is better to be clear, but I find the people in here trying to say they arent even close are the ones dying on a stupid hill. Shooting percentage wise, Raymond is 1% above his career average basically right now. These guys have each played like 3 seasons, do you think counting Stutzles higher than 17% shooting percentage from last year is going to be indicative of whats likely going forward? If anything, his 17% shooting percentage inflated what everyone thinks about him, and seeing the more realistic side this year has people scrambling to make excuses for it in threads like this. This season, youre likely getting closer to what his career average shooting percentage will be than what he showed last year.
I agree that Stutzle is not likely to maintain a 17% shooting percentage, no one really can. If you really think that him shooting 8.6% in a down year is closer to what we'll see going forward, then I don't think there's any conversation to be had here. I view Raymond as a 60 point winger and Stutzle as a 90 point center, so personally no I don't think they're close at all.
There is a bigger gap between Stutzle and Raymond than Sanderson and Seider, it’s the Seider views people are dying on the hill.
So basically, you think Stuzle's best year represents who he is, and for Raymond, he is who he was as a rookie?
Youre right.. Raymond is only as good as his rookie season and Stutzle is as good as his best year with a 17 something percent shooting percentage. Easy to not think theyre not close when youre that clueless I guess, definitely no conversation to be had here
Did you even read my post? I literally said he's not likely to maintain 17%. I'd think 12-13% would be a reasonable guess. You suggested that him being closer to 8.6% shooting percentage would be closer to his average going forward which is just a bad viewpoint IMO. Despite a year where everything has gone wrong for the Sens and Stutzle clearly playing hurt for some of the year, he's still on PPG pace, so I don't think it's really that out there to suggest he could hit 90 again even without an unsustainable shooting percentage.
To be clear, I never referenced Raymond's rookie season. I just view him as a 60-70 point talent. I could certainly eat crow on that evaluation but that's just what I currently project him as. He's currently playing at a 67 point pace so we're supposed to use that as a barometer for what he is going forward yet we're not allowed to use Stutzle's last full season in this comparison why exactly? Obviously his shooting percentage was unsustainable but I don't think a career 12-13% is unreasonable, which would have him pacing around 90 again this year despite the Sens struggling and him clearly playing hurt for parts of the year.
As I've said in my last two posts, I never referenced Raymond's rookie season, despite those words being repeatedly put in my mouth.
lmao you call people out for rounding up 67 points but don't realize the absurdity of rounding 67 down to 60??
67 is still in the 60s, is it not? Maybe I've been counting wrong. I've already mentioned that my point projections for him have nothing to do with his rookie season, even though yes that is the closest he's gotten to that number to date. People are inferring context regardless of how many times I say this though.
there's a reason people don't say "he's a 50s point player", "he's an 80s point player" lol
Oh so now we're going to move the goal posts around. Now you view him as a potential 70 point guy. 10 more points than 2 posts ago. Really tough to have any kind of realistic discussion when you get to just change what you think on a whim and dont know basic math.
He is not a very selective shooter and seems to drive wide and take bad angle shots.
Yes, I know how basic math works. Thanks for the condescension though, that seems to be a common theme in all of your posts so far. I figured you would say this but I just viewed it as being disingenuous. You could've said something along the lines of "his shooting percentage likely falls somewhere in the middle" but you didn't. I can only assume the reason being to further prop up Raymond while bringing down Stutzle.
I said this year is probably closer to his norm than last year was, which is factual, but I'm the disingenuous one lol. You got done saying a couple posts ago that you see him as a 60 point winger going forward. You've since changed that to 60-70 points with the potential being there.
Sure, if you want to say 8.9% is closer to 12-13% than 17% then using basic math that is certainly closer, but that certainly didn't appear to be your intention with wording it that way.
Do you want me to call him an 80 point player or something when he's never reached that peak?Now, we've already cleared up that I don't think he's going to maintain a 17% shooting percentage, but I do believe something in the 12-13% range is more realistic. Based on your wording though, and the fact that you've brought up Stutzle's secondary assists as a negative it sure seems like you're suggesting Stutzle isn't a 90 point player going forward. Tell me, based on the above wording, what do you project Stutzle's point production to look like going forward? Do you expect him to stagnate? While we're at it, what do you expect Raymond's point projection to look like in the future?
"I view Raymond as a 60 point winger and Stutzle as a 90 point center, so personally no I don't think they're close at all." - you saying you essentially view him as his rookie season going forward.Sure, if you want to say 8.9% is closer to 12-13% than 17% then using basic math that is certainly closer, but that certainly didn't appear to be your intention with wording it that way.
Please quote where I said the bolded.
Again, 60 points falls into the 60-70 point range. I've viewed Raymond as a 60-70 point talent since he was drafted and that has absolutely nothing to do with his rookie season. To this point he has not eclipsed either of those totals (if we're being factual), though he's definitely likely to break 60 points this year. I could certainly eat crow on my projection but to this point he still falls in that range so I'm not sure how that's dogging him.
I can't say for sure what Raymond would do with those extra 4 minutes per game. There's no guarantee that would result in more production.
I am reading your posts, for the record. You did dodge my question in post prior, given you only commented on Raymond's projection. Let's look at what you said in one of your earlier posts:
Now, we've already cleared up that I don't think he's going to maintain a 17% shooting percentage, but I do believe something in the 12-13% range is more realistic. Based on your wording though, and the fact that you've brought up Stutzle's secondary assists as a negative it sure seems like you're suggesting Stutzle isn't a 90 point player going forward. Tell me, based on the above wording, what do you project Stutzle's point production to look like going forward? Do you expect him to stagnate? While we're at it, what do you expect Raymond's point projection to look like in the future?
lol let’s see, who knows how basic math works.
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That’s so dumb. Not sure if deliberate or not, neither is a good look.lol let’s see, who knows how basic math works.
17.1 - 13.0 = 4.1 %
13.0 - 8.5 = 4.5%
Strike 3 your out.
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I used 12.5% for my math. Stutzles career shooting percentage at 13 is inflated with a 17.1% season, he was also shooting 8.6% at the time.
