Prospect Info: Zach Senyshyn

[Jean_Jacket41]

Is it the year the Bruins start getting production from the Hamilton trade and either Senyshyn, JFK or Lauzon make the team?

People always bring up the Boychuk trade and how the Bruins received nothing for him but the Bruins are already getting benefits and production from that trade with Carlo.

Senyshyn has the skills to make an impact. IMO, it won't be too long before he gets a RW spot on the top-9.

 

[LSCII]

No, I don't.

He wasn't drafted to be a selke winner. He was drafted to be exactly what I posted, a fast protectable goal scorer.

And to do that, don't you have to actually make a team first? Seems pointless and silly to project what you want him to be as a finished product before he's even played a single shift for the organization, FFS....

Let him grow and develop into an actual NHL caliber player before you start expecting him to be a consistent goal scorer.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

And to do that, don't you have to actually make a team first? Seems pointless and silly to project what you want him to be as a finished product before he's even played a single shift for the organization, FFS....

Let him grow and develop into an actual NHL caliber player before you start expecting him to be a consistent goal scorer.

Projecting a prospect's upside is... Well.

I don't even know what to say. What do you think we do around here, Lonnie?

I'm actually baffled by this post.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Is it the year the Bruins start getting production from the Hamilton trade and either Senyshyn, JFK or Lauzon make the team?

People always bring up the Boychuk trade and how the Bruins received nothing for him but the Bruins are already getting benefits and production from that trade with Carlo.

Senyshyn has the skills to make an impact. IMO, it won't be too long before he gets a RW spot on the top-9.

The Bruins trade Boychuk for 2nd round picks, not Carlo.

The Bruins were fortunate to land Carlo with the pick but that doesn't mean it wasn't a terrible trade and ended the Bruins season mere days before it began.

 

[Jean_Jacket41]

The Bruins trade Boychuk for 2nd round picks, not Carlo.

The Bruins were fortunate to land Carlo with the pick but that doesn't mean it wasn't a terrible trade and ended the Bruins season mere days before it began.

Trades are for assets.

Bruins got two 2nd for Boychuk. They drafted Carlo and Lindgren with those picks.

Like it or not, the return for the Boychuk trade is now Carlo and Lindgren. Just like Seguin-Knight-Hamilton were linked to the Kessel trade or Lucic to the Samsonov trade.

 

[Tim Vezina Thomas]

Projecting a prospect's upside is... Well.

I don't even know what to say. What do you think we do around here, Lonnie?

I'm actually baffled by this post.

Am I in the twilight zone here? Lol. I feel like I'm on an episode of punkd. The site was created to project and discuss prospects.

Like you, I'm baffled and don't know what to say.

 

[LSCII]

Projecting a prospect's upside is... Well.

I don't even know what to say. What do you think we do around here, Lonnie?

I'm actually baffled by this post.

It's like the preseason discussions where people all project a guy to score a career high and they do it for virtually everyone on the team. It's irrelevant because everyone always only projects the positives.

You want to talk about his speed and size and how that may translate to the professional game? I get that and would be happy to do so. I think speed and skill is something this team has lacked consistently for years.

You want to project a guy as a legit goal scoring right winger when most people haven't seen him in anything more than a handful of youtube highlights? Meh. Seems kind of pointless. But if you guys want to do that, go right ahead, I guess.

 

[chizzler]

It's like the preseason discussions where people all project a guy to score a career high and they do it for virtually everyone on the team. It's irrelevant because everyone always only projects the positives.

You want to talk about his speed and size and how that may translate to the professional game? I get that and would be happy to do so. I think speed and skill is something this team has lacked consistently for years.

You want to project a guy as a legit goal scoring right winger when most people haven't seen him in anything more than a handful of youtube highlights? Meh. Seems kind of pointless. But if you guys want to do that, go right ahead, I guess.

Those line ups are at best laughable. People are penciling in JFK as a starter. Zach will be in Providence. Just like everyone penciled in Heinen, these kids will need time in the A. More probable would be DeBrusk.

 

[LSCII]

Those line ups are at best laughable. People are penciling in JFK as a starter. Zach will be in Providence. Just like everyone penciled in Heinen, these kids will need time in the A. More probable would be DeBrusk.

Absolutely.

 

[Tim Vezina Thomas]

It's like the preseason discussions where people all project a guy to score a career high and they do it for virtually everyone on the team. It's irrelevant because everyone always only projects the positives.

You want to talk about his speed and size and how that may translate to the professional game? I get that and would be happy to do so. I think speed and skill is something this team has lacked consistently for years.

You want to project a guy as a legit goal scoring right winger when most people haven't seen him in anything more than a handful of youtube highlights? Meh. Seems kind of pointless. But if you guys want to do that, go right ahead, I guess.

So you can talk about his speed and size but not project how you think he'll turn out? What's the point of posting in this thread then?

I want him to play to his strengths, which in juniors was his speed and goal scoring.

I would be very surprised if ZS made the team next year. In fact, I would be surprised if not as many rookies as people think made the team.

 

[LSCII]

So you can talk about his speed and size but not project how you think he'll turn out? What's the point of posting in this thread then?

I want him to play to his strengths, which in juniors was his speed and goal scoring.

I would be very surprised if ZS made the team next year. In fact, I would be surprised if not as many rookies as people think made the team.

His size and speed are known commodities, because those are measurable quantities. His scoring ability at this level is not. And it won't be known for quite some time. So while you can talk about whatever you want, I can also think that projecting someone as a scoring RW before they've ever played a shift in this league is silly. Is that not fair?

 

[Mainehockey33]

Those line ups are at best laughable. People are penciling in JFK as a starter. Zach will be in Providence. Just like everyone penciled in Heinen, these kids will need time in the A. More probable would be DeBrusk.

I think Heinen has just about as equal a shot as Debrusk, but I agree with the rest.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

His size and speed are known commodities, because those are measurable quantities. His scoring ability at this level is not. And it won't be known for quite some time. So while you can talk about whatever you want, I can also think that projecting someone as a scoring RW before they've ever played a shift in this league is silly. Is that not fair?

I don't think it is, no. That's what scouts do when they draft these young players. That's... Hell, it's what so many come here specifically to do. Do you never make predictions? When a pick is made, you don't imagine where their place in the lineup could eventually be if progress goes as hoped?

And besides, I think what TVT was getting at is that he wasn't concerned with Senyshyn being a defensive stalwart like so many insist. They drafted him to hopefully drive the bet and score goals... Not wrestle a Selke from Patrice Bergeron.

 

[LSCII]

I don't think it is, no. That's what scouts do when they draft these young players. That's... Hell, it's what so many come here specifically to do. Do you never make predictions? When a pick is made, you don't imagine where their place in the lineup could eventually be if progress goes as hoped?

And besides, I think what TVT was getting at is that he wasn't concerned with Senyshyn being a defensive stalwart like so many insist. They drafted him to hopefully drive the bet and score goals... Not wrestle a Selke from Patrice Bergeron.

And that's fair. I think too many people here have been brainwashed by the last coaching regime that everyone needs to be a Selke caliber player just to get a shift or two. I think that belief was a big reason for the team's downturn over the last few years.

As for the rest, no. I don't make predictions, generally speaking. I think projections are relatively worthless and oftentimes people only project the positives or negatives based on how they view a player, so by default, they're biased. In terms of when a pick is made, I don't do what you do at all, Scott. It's so far out from when that guy is going to impact the NHL roster, if at all, so why bother? When a pick is made, I typically just hope the guy turns into something that can contribute in some fashion at the NHL level. Regardless of his junior pedigree or college resume.

One of my favorite projections from the last few years or so where when so many HF experts here were projecting Matt Fraser to step in and score a bunch of goals because of what he did in the AHL. I pointed out back then that AHL goal scoring doesn't translate to NHL goal scoring, and that went over like a fart in church. You could say the same thing here about Chiller. He was the fastest skater and had the hardest shot in the NHL in the skills competition. So people automatically started talking about how that skill would translate. Instead, the guy never developed and now he's gone.

So I get that what I may be saying may be taken as a downer, but seriously. Let's see what the kid can do and what his game looks like before penciling him in as a legitimate scoring RW. It's completely unfair to set so lofty a ceiling for a guy who isn't likely to even make this team next year. And even if he does, let's let the guy develop his game and learn how to play before suggesting he's going to be a 20+ goal scorer.

 

[Tim Vezina Thomas]

His size and speed are known commodities, because those are measurable quantities. His scoring ability at this level is not. And it won't be known for quite some time. So while you can talk about whatever you want, I can also think that projecting someone as a scoring RW before they've ever played a shift in this league is silly. Is that not fair?

No, I don't think it's fair at all. Scouts project players at this level all the time. I'll be wrong sometimes and right sometimes, life goes on.

I do however think your negativity is silly. We all know he's a prospect, we all know he hasn't proven anything, we all know there's a good chance he flames out. You're the only one who interpreted my posts as you did.

Reading your lengthier post below, it's frankly unfortunate that you seem to care so much about people being optimistic about their players. I'm not going to tell you to do anything, but maybe a website called Hockey's Future, a site founded on prospects and ultimately how people project them, isn't the best place for you. Especially in a thread about a prospect (where 99% of the people are projecting).

 

[Tim Vezina Thomas]

I don't think it is, no. That's what scouts do when they draft these young players. That's... Hell, it's what so many come here specifically to do. Do you never make predictions? When a pick is made, you don't imagine where their place in the lineup could eventually be if progress goes as hoped?

And besides, I think what TVT was getting at is that he wasn't concerned with Senyshyn being a defensive stalwart like so many insist. They drafted him to hopefully drive the bet and score goals... Not wrestle a Selke from Patrice Bergeron.

Once again, hit the nail on the head.

He was drafted to score goals and use his skating ability to do so. I hope the coaching staff lets him plays to his strengths and doesn't stifle his offense by emphasizing immaculate 2 way play.

Who would have thought my relatively innocuous post would have caused such debate!

 

[KrejciMVP]

Put him with Krejci and let's see his shot. All i care is if he can beat an NHL goalie

 

[nfld77]

Personally I think Senyshyn and Zboril will need a year in Providence before they're ready to make the jump to the Bruins. Of course they may be more ready than anyone else, who knows for sure.
But if I'm right and they do need a year in the minors, that's not a really bad thing. I'm sure Debrusk learned a lot playing a full season down there as well as others. Bjork is my pick to have the biggest impact this season. But again, what do I know, I'm only predicting who I think will be ready and who'll need more seasoning...I know I cant wait for September when camp opens.. Most excited I've ever been for a preseason. Really hope minimum 3 make the Bruins.

 

[Montecristo]

Thought just popped into my head regarding senyshyn. Well it’s a question technically. Does anyone know who don Sweeney was referring to after the draft when he was questioned about the reach when he said something like “we had scouts pounding the table about how we had to take him.” I wonder who he’s referring too. His actual boots on the ground ohl scouts? Or was it Keith Gretzky himself? I think it was Gretzky. I think Gretzky wanted senyshyn very badly and Sweeney indulged him and a year later Gretzky pounded the table again for someone else and Sweeney said “no, we are taking frederic.” Then Gretzky took his ball and went home (to chiarelli, where he won’t have any push back on who to take). This is just a theory based on who Gretzky has taken in Edmonton. Senyshyn, fast. Yamamoto, fast. Pastrnak, fast. He liked Yamamoto for sure. Frederic slow, he did not like frederic for sure.

All this kind of circles back to, Sweeney trusted Gretzky with the senyshyn pick, and a year later didn’t trust him on pick 29. Anyone else connecting these dots?

 

[PB37]

Thought just popped into my head regarding senyshyn. Well it’s a question technically. Does anyone know who don Sweeney was referring to after the draft when he was questioned about the reach when he said something like “we had scouts pounding the table about how we had to take him.” I wonder who he’s referring too. His actual boots on the ground ohl scouts? Or was it Keith Gretzky himself? I think it was Gretzky. I think Gretzky wanted senyshyn very badly and Sweeney indulged him and a year later Gretzky pounded the table again for someone else and Sweeney said “no, we are taking frederic.” Then Gretzky took his ball and went home (to chiarelli, where he won’t have any push back on who to take). This is just a theory based on who Gretzky has taken in Edmonton. Senyshyn, fast. Yamamoto, fast. Pastrnak, fast. He liked Yamamoto for sure. Frederic slow, he did not like frederic for sure.

All this kind of circles back to, Sweeney trusted Gretzky with the senyshyn pick, and a year later didn’t trust him on pick 29. Anyone else connecting these dots?

I thought he made that comment about his European scouts banging on the table to take *name escapes me...Oskar Steen? I don't remember exactly who*

 

[Montecristo]

I thought he made that comment about his European scouts banging on the table to take *name escapes me...Oskar Steen? I don't remember exactly who*

You might be right about that but I found a quote

“We really like the kid,” said B’s director of amateur scouting. “He’s got size, he’s a right wing and he can really fly down the wing. He scored 26 goals as a fourth-line guy. They tried to find room with him on a stocked team in the OHL, but we’ve heard nothing but great things. We think the potential is there, and we didn’t want to sit back and wait to see what happened [before their second-round pick.]”
Senyshyn did pile up 26 goals and 45 points in 66 games for the Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds as a bottom-six winger with little-to-no power-play time, and this could potentially be a home run pick. If the youngster turns into the next Chris Kreider, the NHL player which he said he models his game after in juniors, then the Bruins will get the last laugh on the pick.
“Our scouts and Keith targeted him,” said B’s assistant general manager Scott Bradley. “He’s two, three or maybe four years [away from the NHL], but aside from everything else he’s got that unique, world-class speed. That’s what attracted us to him.

 

[ODAAT]

I don`t get to see the PB`s play so can`t really comment on the specifics regarding those in the system but I`ll say this, the benefit of having a deep NHL team is you then have the luxury of giving these kids the valuable time to develop at the AHL level. I also tend to be very cautious to announce a kid a bust or a steal when they are literally at the start of their careers

 

[Fenian24]

Where are those mystery teams who were set to pounce on Senyshyn if the Bruins didn't take him? Now would be a good time to find out who they were and see what the return for the goal scoring threat would be.

 

[Montecristo]

Where are those mystery teams who were set to pounce on Senyshyn if the Bruins didn't take him? Now would be a good time to find out who they were and see what the return for the goal scoring threat would be.

Someone here implied the players agent fed that info to the bruins to pressure them into selecting him at 15. But those teams were supposedly Detroit and Toronto i think.

 

[Blowfish]

Thought just popped into my head regarding senyshyn. Well it’s a question technically. Does anyone know who don Sweeney was referring to after the draft when he was questioned about the reach when he said something like “we had scouts pounding the table about how we had to take him.” I wonder who he’s referring too. His actual boots on the ground ohl scouts? Or was it Keith Gretzky himself? I think it was Gretzky. I think Gretzky wanted senyshyn very badly and Sweeney indulged him and a year later Gretzky pounded the table again for someone else and Sweeney said “no, we are taking frederic.” Then Gretzky took his ball and went home (to chiarelli, where he won’t have any push back on who to take). This is just a theory based on who Gretzky has taken in Edmonton. Senyshyn, fast. Yamamoto, fast. Pastrnak, fast. He liked Yamamoto for sure. Frederic slow, he did not like frederic for sure.

All this kind of circles back to, Sweeney trusted Gretzky with the senyshyn pick, and a year later didn’t trust him on pick 29. Anyone else connecting these dots?

I know for a fact Gretzky was totally involved recruiting Zachery and his
Family. I like the kid but still maintain he won't be able to make it the next level. It's really too bad because he has amazing straight line speed and wicked snap shot. Hope I'm wrong but all the games I've watched him live, something is missing. To me it's the killer instinct and cliche hockey IQ. I think he will be traded sooner than later. A trade with Ottawa makes too much sense. Get something now before it's too late.