OT: Yzerman's roster construction

[Detroit Knights]

Well, him and his wife just lost a baby for I believe the 2nd time, so that could easily and very understandably bring anyone down. He is a human being, not a cyborg!

well that went dark. Obviously that happened and yes that is something to be sad about. my god. it's fine, this isn't a hill i'd like to die on so carry on

 

[Run the Jewels]

I think the problem is Draper more than Yzerman. Detroit is putting way too much emphasis on “character” over skill and it could mean Detroit has the best 5 middle 6 centers in the league and lose a lot of close games as they barely miss the playoffs every year.

Character is cheap and it typically shows up in goal prevention. We had abysmal center depth under Holland. We now have marginal center depth. We should know what our center situation looks like in 2-3 years as Kasper and Danielson develop. Are they mid gritty/character types? Or does one of them develop the skill to be a scoring line pivot? Perhaps Yzerman acquires a scoring line center and Kasper and Danileon play the Veleno / Rasmussen role.

 

[PelagicJoe]

I get that the defense is still shaky, but a lot of people here aren't seeing the improvement compared to a season or two ago.
Remember when our defense consisted of players like Stecher, Lindstrom, Oesterle, Biega, Cholowski, etc?
Pepperidge Farm remembers

 

[Detroit Knights]

Character is cheap and it typically shows up in goal prevention. We had abysmal center depth under Holland. We now have marginal center depth. We should know what our center situation looks like in 2-3 years as Kasper and Danielson develop. Are they mid gritty/character types? Or does one of them develop the skill to be a scoring line pivot? Perhaps Yzerman acquires a scoring line center and Kasper and Danileon play the Veleno / Rasmussen role.

This would be the worst scenario ever lol

 

[Holden Caufield]

The biggest problem with the roster construction is we sure don’t look like a ‘re-building’ team.

The 22 man roster generally has 17 vet players 26 or older.
They also have 3 replacement level JAG type players that are between 23-25 (KK, Joey, Ras).

So basically the roster only has 2 good young staple type players in Raymond and Sieder.

Calling Detroit anything other than a veteran team is a mis characterization.

 

[Frk It]

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The biggest problem with the roster construction is we sure don’t look like a ‘re-building’ team.

The 22 man roster generally has 17 vet players 26 or older.
They also have 3 replacement level JAG type players that are between 23-25 (KK, Joey, Ras).

So basically the roster only has 2 good young staple type players in Raymond and Sieder.

Calling Detroit anything other than a veteran team is an mis characterization.

DeBrincat just turned 26 a few days ago, lol.

That’s a “good young player” in my book.

 

[Pavels Dog]

I think every GM is the game, heck likely any industry, would start to recieve fair criticism after 5 years at the helm..

I truly do believe SY has done a good job but it is also fair for fans/media to start to ask tough questions and expect better results

Obviously the losing streak is tough to deal with but we're like two weeks removed from being in a divisional playoff seed and getting the biggest free agent to sign with us.

 

[ricky0034]

Is the drafting of Cossa holding the team back from making a concrete move at goaltender? If you draft a goalie in the first round, you're pretty much admitting that you plan on him being the goalie of the future. I don't know if drafting Cossa was a mistake, but holding back because if it sure is.

it didn't stop them from using an early 2nd on Augustine

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Obviously the losing streak is tough to deal with but we're like two weeks removed from being in a divisional playoff seed and getting the biggest free agent to sign with us.

100%

But that dosent absolve SY from being asked tough or pointed questions

 

[Holden Caufield]

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DeBrincat just turned 26 a few days ago, lol.

That’s a “good young player” in my book.

DeBrincat is a veteran playing in his 7th year of professional hockey. Making a boatload of cash.

He is expected to produce and be good and be a winning player right now.

I don’t consider him a developing player. Him and Larkin are young. But they’re already the vets that make this team go.

The organization needs massive development from players to change its fate.
My main point is that Raymond and Seider are the only guys on the roster who could potentially morph into something drastically different than what they are today/currently.

Most of this roster is what it is at this point. Not to say there aren’t some good NHL pieces….But there are not many ‘developing’ pieces.
Which should be a focus on a rebuilding team.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

SY needs to bring in a goalie immediately..one who can be the #1 for the next 3 years until Cossa is ready

 

[Frk It]

This is fun.

Can we do this more often? Can we just end the game now?

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

100%

But that dosent absolve SY from being asked tough or pointed questions

Huh...

Nah..he'll get a hall pass

 

[ShanahanMan]

We almost lost by giving up a 3+ goal lead for the 5th time this season. Something HAS to be done

 

[Run the Jewels]

We almost lost by giving up a 3+ goal lead for the 5th time this season. Something HAS to be done

Looking at impending free agent goalies, there really isn't much available. Funny enough, Alex Nedelkjovic is having himself a nice season with Pittsburgh.

 

[norrisnick]

Looking at impending free agent goalies, there really isn't much available. Funny enough, Alex Nedelkjovic is having himself a nice season with Pittsburgh.

He's got a Norris winner playing in front of....



Yeah I couldn't finish that.

 

[ShanahanMan]

Looking at impending free agent goalies, there really isn't much available. Funny enough, Alex Nedelkjovic is having himself a nice season with Pittsburgh.

Maybe that means it’s not the goalie so much (though I admit Reimber is bad, especially tonight).

 

[cvaicunas]

The further up the chart, the tougher the competition.

Only 1 defenseman in the league has a higher QoC than Seider, Savard in MTL, and he only played 9 games so his stats are a bit goofy.

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what site is this

 

[ricky0034]

edit: oops

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

The minute Husso and Lyon are healthy, you waive Reimer. Absolutely no reason to carry 3 goalie anymore with this group.

If the league all passed on Raanta, they will pass on Reimer too, and nobody picking him up.

 

[Oddbob]

The minute Husso and Lyon are healthy, you waive Reimer. Absolutely no reason to carry 3 goalie anymore with this group.

If the league all passed on Raanta, they will pass on Reimer too, and nobody picking him up.

Why do you waive Reimer, when Husso has easily been the worst this season and has a worse contract. He would clear waivers easily.

 

[norrisnick]

what site is this

Dobberhockey's player usage charts.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Why do you waive Reimer, when Husso has easily been the worst this season and has a worse contract. He would clear waivers easily.

Because Husso has the ability to be better.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Is the drafting of Cossa holding the team back from making a concrete move at goaltender? If you draft a goalie in the first round, you're pretty much admitting that you plan on him being the goalie of the future. I don't know if drafting Cossa was a mistake, but holding back because if it sure is.

No, it isn't. The issue is that you have 4-5 truly great goalies and then everyone else and then a few truly terrible goalies and the teams that have those truly great goalies are either paying them double digit millions or they're asking you the sun, moon, stars, and your first-born for them.

I think every GM is the game, heck likely any industry, would start to receive fair criticism after 5 years at the helm..

I truly do believe SY has done a good job but it is also fair for fans/media to start to ask tough questions and expect better results

I would agree with this if the "tough questions" weren't boiling down to 'why did you sign Justin Holl, you know he sucks, right?' or 'Why isn't Jonatan Berggren on the roster?'

 

[Oddbob]

Because Husso has the ability to be better.

When was this? He has been under .895 going back to last December.