Confirmed with Link: Yandle, Summers, 4th-2016 traded to NYR for JMoore, Duclair, 1st-2016, 2nd-2015

[Ranger Angst]

Duclair benefitted a lot from domi in the WJCs, not loving this trade.

I get to see a lot of Duclair . He's the real deal - tough , creative , fast - beautiful player . As a Ranger fan , I'm sad we had to give up Duke.

 

[Icebreakers]

Was drafted in the 1st round, has had nearly 2 PPG as a 17 and 18yo?

Looked pretty good in the NHL too. Not his fault he was sent down.

Duclair has put up 1 season above PPG in the OHL. Domi has put up 2. That's significant. And you don't get drafted in the 3rd round if scouts think you have legitimate top line potential.

??? Anthony Duclair put up a ppg as a 16 year old. He was supposed to be a top 10 pick going into his draft year, he kind of regressed in his draft year and had some "attitude issues" but absolutely kiled it as an 18 year old.

 

[Sinurgy]

This post is biased... Duclair isnt just a bag of what if's. Thats like saying Reinhart Domi etc is a bag of what ifs. Then nothing has value until proven.

Huh?! Reinhart was the 2nd overall pick, Domi was 12th. Duclair may end up a good player but please stop pretending like he's always projected anywhere near Reinhart or Domi. Duclair is riding high off WJC hype, he was nothing before that.

 

[XX]

Huh?! Reinhart was the 2nd overall pick, Domi was 12th. Duclair may end up a good player but please stop pretending like he's always projected anywhere near Reinhart or Domi. Duclair is riding high off WJC hype, he was nothing before that.

Not true. 50 goals in 59 games. He was a force in the Q. And the only reason he slid to the third was due to some character concerns the Rangers were the only ones smart enough to follow up on. The virtues of doing your homework.

 

[Icebreakers]

Huh?! Reinhart was the 2nd overall pick, Domi was 12th. Duclair may end up a good player but please stop pretending like he's always projected anywhere near Reinhart or Domi. Duclair is riding high off WJC hype, he was nothing before that.

Draft picks mean absolutely nothing after you are drafted. I hope you understand this. Dvorak is a great player and will be a great NHLER, I dont undervalue him because hes a 2nd round pick. Lets be real here. Theres a lot of people who would take Duke over Virtanen and Ritchie and Dal colle who were top 10 picks.

 

[doaner]

??? Anthony Duclair put up a ppg as a 16 year old. He was supposed to be a top 10 pick going into his draft year, he kind of regressed in his draft year and had some "attitude issues" but absolutely kiled it as an 18 year old.

I'm going to look back on this in a year or so and see how wrong many people are that we have duke. He will light it up with domi once more and get a mcdavid or eichel??? Scary!!

 

[Tad Mikowski]

On the plus side. We now have two 1st 2nd and 3rd rounders this year. That's awesome

 

[The Feckless Puck]

If it were Girardi coming back, I may have agreed with you. But Moore is unequivocally not better defensively than Yandle. He's very much more of the same of what we already have.

I find that incredibly hard to believe. IMO there are very few defensemen in the NHL as bad in his own end as Yandle is. I know few around here share that opinion but I think anyone outside of a forward would have been an upgrade.

 

[CC96]

On the plus side. We now have two 1st 2nd and 3rd rounders this year. That's awesome

Not to mention we could get another 2nd for Z, and Gagner is rumored to be on the trade block as well.

 

[Sinurgy]

Duke is in the Q, not the O.

Edit: don't tell zetterburg about that. Or tom Brady. Top talents selected in late late rounds.

There's a term for that, it's called outliers and only stupid people bet on them.

 

[IPreferPi]

It's a good trade. Many on this board are reacting based on emotion, and not rational thought on what needs to be done to make the team better over the next decade.

Endowment Effect: The fact that people often demand much more to give up an object than they would be willing to pay to acquire it.

Cognitive biases have nothing to do with what Maloney was on record saying with regards to Yandle multiple times.

 

[XX]

I find that incredibly hard to believe. IMO there are very few defensemen in the NHL as bad in his own end as Yandle is. I know few around here share that opinion but I think anyone outside of a forward would have been an upgrade.

I'm stoked to be rid of him, personally. Don't care what anyone thinks. Love him as a personality but I just hate turnovers and specialists in general. I think we're in store for a possible major dose of the Ewing Theory with him gone.

 

[So Truculent]

wait wait wait....some Coyotes fans aren't extremely happy with this deal? lol that is a massive haul and another huge boost to the rebuild

OEL, Boedker, McEichel, Duclair, Domi, Dvorak, Perlini, Samuelsson, Gormley...plus all the picks you have future is good

 

[AZviaNJ]

Very good move by the Coyotes IMO and a good move for the Rangers, too. Many Ranger fans feel Duclair he has 30 goal potential. Another 1st, another 2nd...Moore is a 3rd pair physical Dman (which we've been seriously lacking). I think Yandle's value was as high as it was going to get, hence you make the deal now vs waiting for the summer.

And for those wanting the all-in TANK, here you go. That may have been a consideration on why this deal was done now and not at seasons end, as well.

 

[Matias Maccete]

I get to see a lot of Duclair . He's the real deal - tough , creative , fast - beautiful player . As a Ranger fan , I'm sad we had to give up Duke.

I'd absolutely positively love to be wrong, and you've clearly seen him a little more. The second added in helps cushion the blow too.

 

[DomiToDuclair]

??? Anthony Duclair put up a ppg as a 16 year old. He was supposed to be a top 10 pick going into his draft year, he kind of regressed in his draft year and had some "attitude issues" but absolutely kiled it as an 18 year old.

So? He wasn't a top 10 pick, he was drafted in the 3rd round. Even DeAngelo and Ho-Sang and Shinkaruk were all drafted far before the 3rd round. The fact remain he's only put up 1 year of being over a PPG at a significant margin.

Only about 10-15% of players drafted in the 3rd round and above make it in the NHL.

While I think his chances are pretty good, I would not want a centerpiece like that as a part of a deal for Yandle.

 

[doaner]

There's a term for that, it's called outliers and only stupid people bet on them.

There are just as many busts in the first and second as later rounds. Anything can happen. Its all a crap shoot.

 

[0point1]

Conspiracy to suck until the out clause?

 

[Sinurgy]

Draft picks mean absolutely nothing after you are drafted. I hope you understand this. Dvorak is a great player and will be a great NHLER, I dont undervalue him because hes a 2nd round pick. Lets be real here. Theres a lot of people who would take Duke over Virtanen and Ritchie and Dal colle who were top 10 picks.

I absolutely understand that and is what I was originally getting at. DM traded Yandle, a proven NHL all-star, for a bag of what ifs. Duclair could end up awesome but he could also end up average or crappy. You guys got the guarantee, the Coyotes did not. Bag of ifs.

 

[rt]

Duclair is a small, one-dimensional left shooting winger who fell to the third round despite having first round talent due to character issues. Duclair has acknowledged those flaws. In his defense, all reports are that he's moved past them and is now a solid citizen. Hopefully a big fat NHL salary and some pro level hype won't change that. He's got huge offensive upside, but is a complete coin-toss at this point.

John Moore has developed poorly. He's young enough to turn it around, but he's running out of time to prove he's more than a tweener OFD with limited production and suspect D. Right now he's another of these very tall PMDs that are mobile but don't produce, don't use their size effectively, and are not plus defenders.

A late 2nd in five months and a late 1st in 17 months are nothing to sneeze at but don't exactly make me jump up and down.

We needed NHL ready centers with top two line upside. We didn't get any. We needed young right shooting forwards. Got none. We needed strong, solid, young D. Nope. Needed a Yandle fill-in. Nope.

If this were 12 months from today and we knew Yandle was going UFA, then this is a great trade. If Yandle had publicly asked for a trade then this would be a great return. None of that is the case. We didn't NEED to trade Yandle. We didn't HAVE to take whatever the best offer was. We settled on the best available deal. Which wasn't necessary.

It's a fine return. Adequate. A bunch of future "stuff". Yandle is an elite D in his prime and the heart of the team. I don't get why we had to do this deal in 2015. This is a 2016 trade.

 

[IPreferPi]

I find that incredibly hard to believe. IMO there are very few defensemen in the NHL as bad in his own end as Yandle is. I know few around here share that opinion but I think anyone outside of a forward would have been an upgrade.

Yandle is certainly not worse than Karlsson, Letang, and Subban in his own end or with decision making. The only thing he obviously lacks is physicality. Moore is not better than Yandle in any facet.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

wait wait wait....some Coyotes fans aren't extremely happy with this deal? lol that is a massive haul and another huge boost to the rebuild

The reason most are unhappy is that Keith Yandle was one of the few Coyotes players that was groomed in the organization and who publicly took a pay cut to stay at one of the worst times in this franchise's history. For all of the talk about needing fundamental change in this team, getting rid of Yandle was one not a lot of people wanted to make.

 

[diceone]

Conspiracy to suck until the out clause?

Oh no...... I didn't think about that....

 

[RemoAZ]

Conspiracy to suck until the out clause?

I don't know about conspiracy but I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't completely blowing it up now because they know they have 3 throw away years anyway.

 

[YandlesMother]

Duclair is a small, one-dimensional left shooting winger who fell to the third round despite having first round talent due to character issues. Duclair has acknowledged those flaws. In his defense, all reports Re that he's moved past them and is now a solid citizen. Hopefully a big fat NHL salary and some pro level hype won't change that. He's got huge offensive upside, but is a complete coin-toss at this point.

Somehow every black player in the canadian media has character issues. I'm skeptical.

Next thing you know they will be describing him as Brash.