Wings trade Nyquist to SJ for 2019 2nd & 2020 Conditional 3rd

[Marky9er]

Does anyone know of other examples out there of trading up paying off?

Brock Nelson.

Brayden Point.

Travis Konecny

 

[aar000n]

Anyone else feel like its the end of an era with tartar gone as well. Remember when they both came up and light the NHL on fire.

 

[Henkka]

Anyone else feel like its the end of an era with tartar gone as well. Remember when they both came up and light the NHL on fire.

Yeah, Tatar was 2nd round pick, #60 overall and Nyquist was 4th rounder #121 overall.

Guys went through our developing system and turned around as:

Tomas Tatar, 2nd round pick, #60 overall
Gustav Nyquist, 4th round pick, #121 overall
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1st round pick (Joe Veleno, #30 overall)
2nd round pick (SJS 2nd 2019, ~59th overall)
2nd round pick (NYI 2nd 2019, ~55th overall)
3rd round pick (SJS conditional 2nd)
3rd round pick (VGK 2021)

They played for us, they entertained us, they didn't win with us, but they did give better future for us.

 

[Henkka]

Just our luck NYI are having a good season.

Last year we were lucky that Ottawa sucked after their ECF run.

That gave us Berggren/McIsaac.

 

[TheRatPoisoner]

Anyone else feel like its the end of an era with tartar gone as well. Remember when they both came up and light the NHL on fire.

2013-2014 playoff push was pretty exciting to watch. Everything else is kinda forgettable beyond that. And that's not a knock against Nyquist and Tatar. The teams just been declining for a long time, and now they're finally bottoming out.

 

[jkutswings]

It depends how the draft goes.

Pretty much. If there's a top 10-15 guy on your board that falls to 20-25, then try to package some picks to move up. If not, ride it out with extra shots in the second and third rounds.

 

[Fil Larkmanthanasiou]

Yeah, Tatar was 2nd round pick, #60 overall and Nyquist was 4th rounder #121 overall.

Guys went through our developing system and turned around as:

Tomas Tatar, 2nd round pick, #60 overall
Gustav Nyquist, 4th round pick, #121 overall
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1st round pick (Joe Veleno, #30 overall)
2nd round pick (SJS 2nd 2019, ~59th overall)
2nd round pick (NYI 2nd 2019, ~55th overall)
3rd round pick (SJS conditional 2nd)
3rd round pick (VGK 2021)

They played for us, they entertained us, they didn't win with us, but they did give better future for us.

Other than Veleno there is a good possibility that none of those picks ever play in the NHL.

 

[Marky9er]

Other than Veleno there is a good possibility that none of those picks ever play in the NHL.

Maybe we should trade them for an NHL player(s) in that case?

 

[Orthodox Caveman]

I’m confused on the 2nd round pick...it’s not Florida’s pick from the Hoffman trade?

 

[jkutswings]

Maybe we should trade them for an NHL player(s) in that case?

2 second rounders + 2 third rounders + 1 hypnosis session = Jacob Trouba in Detroit this summer.

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

Other than Veleno there is a good possibility that none of those picks ever play in the NHL.

Sure, prospects are not guaranteed to pan out. But taking these chances is exactly how you build a strong roster. I don't get this cynicism about trying to draft and develop. It's pretty much the only way to have a cost-controlled winning team these days.

 

[Ezekial]

I’m confused on the 2nd round pick...it’s not Florida’s pick from the Hoffman trade?

No that pick is a condition for Erik Karlsson, if they win the cup Ottawa gets their highest second round pick, which in all situations meeting that condition it would be Florida's

 

[Orthodox Caveman]

No that pick is a condition for Erik Karlsson, if they win the cup Ottawa gets their highest second round pick, which in all situations meeting that condition it would be Florida's

Ah that’s right. Was just confused cause I heard on a Sharks podcast that they didn’t even have their own 2nd round pick (??) so I thought it was that Florida pick. They did have another one. Thanks

 

[Ezekial]

Ah that’s right. Was just confused cause I heard on a Sharks podcast that they didn’t even have their own 2nd round pick (??) so I thought it was that Florida pick. They did have another one. Thanks

NP, I was confused as well with all the reports coming out at once yesterday.

 

[Henkka]

Other than Veleno there is a good possibility that none of those picks ever play in the NHL.

Yeah and Veleno could become better than Nyquist or Tatar ever was.

 

[kliq]

Anyone else feel like its the end of an era with tartar gone as well. Remember when they both came up and light the NHL on fire.

I do. that whole group of Nyquist, Tatar, Sheahan, Jurco, Marchenko, Sproul, XO, Anderson, Bruner etc. who came in around 2012-14 are all pretty much gone now.

I remember loving that Anderson/Bruner/Nyquist line during our last real playoff run, too bad none of them turned into superstars, though Nyquist was a good player, and I’m happy to cheer for him on San Jose now.

 

[Big Poppa Puck]

Feel like we shoulda got more. Find it hard to believe Nyquist had basically the same value as Jensen.

Not upset, but not happy either. Just meh.

 

[waltdetroit]

Feel like we shoulda got more. Find it hard to believe Nyquist had basically the same value as Jensen.

Not upset, but not happy either. Just meh.

Jared Clinton (The Hockey News) has a positive view
"If the Sharks advance to the Stanley Cup final, or should Nyquist re-sign in San Jose, the draft choice upgrades to a second second-round pick. And two second-round picks is a decent haul for a career 20-goal, 45-point player who had complete control of his destination."

Sharks’ add Nyquist to already lethal attack, send pair of picks to Red Wings - TheHockeyNews

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Meh, within the range of fair market value. I am just happy we were able to move him. I wish him only the best.

 

[Gniwder]

Considering that Holland wasn't in a strong bargaining position, I'll take whatever. 2nd & cond 3rd is better than whatever. It's a win.

 

[Oddbob]

Feel like we shoulda got more. Find it hard to believe Nyquist had basically the same value as Jensen.

Not upset, but not happy either. Just meh.

How is a 2nd and a 3rd the same as just a 2nd? The 3rd can also turn into a 2nd rounder as well. Bowey for the 5th rounder is a long-shot to be anything more than a Kindl right now.

 

[KJoe88]

Found this interesting

 

[TheMule93]

Found this interesting

"psst gus, if you waive your NTC to come to San Jose at the deadline, I'll sign with Detroit in the off-season with you"

 

[RedWingsfan55]

Jared Clinton (The Hockey News) has a positive view
"If the Sharks advance to the Stanley Cup final, or should Nyquist re-sign in San Jose, the draft choice upgrades to a second second-round pick. And two second-round picks is a decent haul for a career 20-goal, 45-point player who had complete control of his destination."

Sharks’ add Nyquist to already lethal attack, send pair of picks to Red Wings - TheHockeyNews

Part of it as well is that fact theres some wings fans who believe he is a star or first line player.

His goal/point totals for his career average out to being below average 2nd line and above average third line player. That is a statistical fact.

San Jose will play him where he should thrive now. Third line with one of the best passers to play the game even in his old age, still damn good. So when he finishes the year strong(well should....) I expect some wings fan to cry some more about how great he is, then Ken holland can over sign him for 5.5m or 6m a year for 6 years.

 

[TCNorthstars]

Feel like we shoulda got more. Find it hard to believe Nyquist had basically the same value as Jensen.

Not upset, but not happy either. Just meh.

You find it hard to believe that a RHD in a super lite defense market got the same as a 45 point winger with a full NTC in a super saturated forward marked?