Will Auston Matthews break Rick Vaive's record this season?

[Tad Mikowsky]

TIL if you don’t know who Rick Vaive is, and you’re asking who he is, it’s an attack on the Toronto Maple Leafs.

 

[North Cole]

I don't really consider it a "record" and I don't think Matthews will get past that number this year, or ever, should come somewhat close though.

I think it will be close but I think he will do it. Keefe called them out, so we'll see if they tuck tail or start battling in some games.

If he plays the rest of season, I think he's too explosive not to get 21g in 32 games. The next ten games will probably make or break his chances, because if hes close by year end, his teammates will probably feed him the puck like Jamie Benn's Art Ross win. I'm assuming they lock up a playoff spot by game 77. He's streaky, but we'll see.

 

[Daximus]

It still surprises me a bit, but maybe I figured more who post on here are interested not just in the present, but the history of hockey as well. I mean, Steve Shutt was before my time, and while I couldn't really describe to you how he played or what his best strengths and weaknesses as a player are, I've at least heard of him and have a vague idea of the kind of totals he put up. I figured that would be the same for hockey fans who weren't born yet when Vaive played.

I just looked at the list of multiple 50+ goal scorers and there were a few names I'd never really looked at and I look at quite a bit of hockey history. Guys like Blaine Stoughton, Dennis Maruk, Charlie Simmer, Peirre Larouche, Danny Gare, Mickey Redmond, Stephan Richer. There's a pretty lengthy list of guys that did it 2 or 3 times that a lot of people have probably never heard of I mean I've looked at that list countless times and I just don't remember them because they aren't all that memorable to me.

50 goals for a short period of time really wasn't seen as such a massive hill to climb. Not like it was when guys first started doing it, or like it is today when there might be one or two guys doing it and 1 of them is pretty much always named Alex Ovechkin. Hard to gain prominence when you are among 8+ guys doing it in a given season and not doing it every season for an extended period of time.

For comparisons sake 50 goals then is pretty comparable to 35-40 in todays game. I bet in 40 years when people are glancing over the stats they'll go right past Cam Atkinson, Jeff Skinner, William Karlsson, Joe Pavelski, JVR, Sharp, Monahan and many more pretty easily without much thought about it. Especially if they aren't a part of their team or cities history or win any major awards.

 

[McVespa99]

Is there a vote option for "Its embarrassing that Rick Vaive is your teams all time single season greatest goalscorer"? If there is I am going with that one.

 

[Dache]

Wouldn't it have just been more beneficial to all if you put in a little effort yourself, or stayed out of a topic that you were uninformed in? You said yourself that you don't care about the Leafs.

He's a fairly well-known historically relevant player that holds one of the most recognized records for the most followed and one of the longest standing franchises in the league. There doesn't always have to be a history lesson attached to discussions about significant hockey players on a hockey forum. It was answered on the first page anyway.

Wouldn’t it have been beneficial to all to not have you come into yet another thread talking about leaf hate immediately and detailing the thread again?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Wouldn’t it have been beneficial to all to not have you come into yet another thread talking about leaf hate immediately and detailing the thread again?

I did not come into the thread talking about Leaf hate immediately, and I have not derailed the thread. The discussion, that you were not a part of, is over. There is no reason for you to derail it again.

 

[Voight]

What’s the record, leaf record? American record? What

American record would be Brett Hull's 86 goals if you consider him American.

 

[ottawa]

I hope not but it's certainly looking like a possibility right now.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

I just looked at the list of multiple 50+ goal scorers and there were a few names I'd never really looked at and I look at quite a bit of hockey history. Guys like Blaine Stoughton, Dennis Maruk, Charlie Simmer, Peirre Larouche, Danny Gare, Mickey Redmond, Stephan Richer. There's a pretty lengthy list of guys that did it 2 or 3 times that a lot of people have probably never heard of I mean I've looked at that list countless times and I just don't remember them because they aren't all that memorable to me.

50 goals for a short period of time really wasn't seen as such a massive hill to climb. Not like it was when guys first started doing it, or like it is today when there might be one or two guys doing it and 1 of them is pretty much always named Alex Ovechkin. Hard to gain prominence when you are among 8+ guys doing it in a given season and not doing it every season for an extended period of time.

For comparisons sake 50 goals then is pretty comparable to 35-40 in todays game. I bet in 40 years when people are glancing over the stats they'll go right past Cam Atkinson, Jeff Skinner, William Karlsson, Joe Pavelski, JVR, Sharp, Monahan and many more pretty easily without much thought about it. Especially if they aren't a part of their team or cities history or win any major awards.

There's actually only 14 players in league history with more 50 goal seasons than Vaive (not one of them you listed):

Gretzky

Bossy

Ovechkin

Lemieux

Lafleur

Dionne

Hull

Hull

Bure

Esposito

Yzerman

Kurri

Goulet

Kerr

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[Rants Mulliniks]

A Leaf player has never won the Art Ross and the last time a Leaf player won the goal scoring title was 1948.

This makes it less rare how exactly?

 

[Soliloquy of a Dogge]

Is there a vote option for "Its embarrassing that Rick Vaive is your teams all time single season greatest goalscorer"? If there is I am going with that one.

Best post in this thread.

Oof at that history, or lack of it.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

TIL if you don’t know who Rick Vaive is, and you’re asking who he is, it’s an attack on the Toronto Maple Leafs.

This thread is the first time I have ever heard that guys name.

 

[BlueBaron]

OMG.

If I recall (because I was a kid) Rick played his best hockey in the early 80s. He was our Captain right after Sittler or there abouts. He was also our first 50 goal man.

It's not a shocker that a youngish forum like this is not familiar with him.

I also think it would have been far more constructive to observe this from people's comments and use it as an opportunity to share some Leaf History rather than insult them.

So I am sorry for the insults and snide comments. For those curious about him his Wiki link is below.

Rick Vaive - Wikipedia

 

[Saitama]

OMG.

If I recall (because I was a kid) Rick played his best hockey in the early 80s. He was our Captain right after Sittler or there abouts. He was also our first 50 goal man.

It's not a shocker that a youngish forum like this is not familiar with him.

I also think it would have been far more constructive to observe this from people's comments and use it as an opportunity to share some Leaf History rather than insult them.

So I am sorry for the insults and snide comments. For those curious about him his Wiki link is below.

Rick Vaive - Wikipedia

Thank you for the reasonable reply.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Rick Vaive and Bill Derlago. Now that brings back memories!

 

[Karl Eriksson]

Wouldn’t it have been beneficial to all to not have you come into yet another thread talking about leaf hate immediately and detailing the thread again?

not knowing who this guy is is essentially tied #1 answer. None of this is derailing anything. OP knew Vaive was a nobody.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

I’m an old fart, and have watched a lot of hockey. Maybe this guy is just a pretty fringe name outside of Toronto?

I think hockey fans know of him, it's more an age thing. I'm 36 and although he was a bit before my time I still know who he is. But then you have to remember a decent portion of this board is college aged and born after the year 2000.

 

[Karl Eriksson]

I think hockey fans know of him, it's more an age thing. I'm 36 and although he was a bit before my time I still know who he is. But then you have to remember a decent portion of this board is college aged and born after the year 2000.

I’m also 36 but don’t know the 20th greatest leaf of all time.

 

[Kelly]

I met Vaive in Owen Sound once, nice guy.

Never ceases to amaze me how little star offensive talent the Leafs have had for literally a century.

Leafs have been pretty well garbage my entire life time outside of the past four years, and early 00's - late 90's.... Even then it'd be hard to call them anything else other than 'above average'.

There has been really good players like Sittler, Sundin, Gilmour, Clark, Vaive etc... but no world beaters -- hence why they've been pretty well irrelevant since the '60's.

I say that as a huge supporter of the Leafs, and it seems like they finally have found themselves some elite talent, and I think Matthews, this year, proves he easily belongs in the aforementioned group.

 

[BlueBaron]

I’m also 36 but don’t know the 20th greatest leaf of all time.

You are trying really hard to disparage a 50 goal scoring Maple Leaf captain. Calling him "a nobody" when he had multiple all stars and 50 goal seasons is a bit over the top. I guess that makes pretty much every Sen ever a nobody huh?

 

[Karl Eriksson]

You are trying really hard to disparage a 50 goal scoring Maple Leaf captain. Calling him "a nobody" when he had multiple all stars and 50 goal seasons is a bit over the top. I guess that makes pretty much every Sen ever a nobody huh?

He's the Shawn Mceachern of the leafs

 

[BlueBaron]

He's the Shawn Mceachern of the leafs

OK then.....

 

[Ryan Michaels]

On a related note there was an interview with Vaive in the paper today and he claimed that anyone who hit the 50 goal mark multiple times could do so in any era, the insinuation being he would hit 50 goals today, barring in mind he set the Leaf record at 54 the year 99 scored 92. I think it's unlikely.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

I’m also 36 but don’t know the 20th greatest leaf of all time.

That probably tells us more about you than anything else, really.

 

[lauraP]

Me in 40 years

"whhhaaAAATT? YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THE LEGENDARY ZEMGUS GIRGENSON IS, LEARN YOUR HOCKEY HISTORY YOU UNGRATEFUL PATHETIC WORM"