Confirmed with Link: Wild buying out Parise and Suter

[nickschultzfan]

He is my least favorite MN sports columnist by a wiiiiiiiide margin.

Souhan is decent at asking questions, but I have zero desire to hear his answers to his own questions.

 

[2Pair]

Souhan is a terrible columnist.

Jim Souhan would not be able to pick any of Parise, Suter, or Guerin out of a lineup.

 

[chchelseII]

A 2-way contract to Menell isn’t fair. BG feels like he’s making emotional decisions rather than intelligent ones. I’m starting to get the impression that he’s not that smart of a guy.

Yeah, I just don’t think he’s very bright. Seems to play more of a “my way or the highway”, tough guy role. Afraid this team is in for a multi-year, no playoff, streak.

 

[TaLoN]

Soucy. Guerin will go 4 + 4.

Unless a contract is signed today, Soucy is mandated exposure.

Unless we sign a defensemen, Soucy cannot be protected. He is the only defensemen who meets the criteria to be exposed we have.

You already got it covered...

 

[grimmel95]

Yeah, I just don’t think he’s very bright. Seems to play more of a “my way or the highway”, tough guy role. Afraid this team is in for a multi-year, no playoff, streak.

Not sure why some of us are all bent out of shape over Menell not getting a 1-way contract from Guerin. How many more small D do we need on this team. We need to get some grit on the back end so we are harder to play against especially with Suter being bought out. I think someone mentioned about it's not fair to Menell in an earlier message -- Why the hell does it have to be fair? It's a business!

 

[Minnewildsota]

Not sure why some of us are all bent out of shape over Menell not getting a 1-way contract from Guerin. How many more small D do we need on this team. We need to get some grit on the back end so we are harder to play against especially with Suter being bought out. I think someone mentioned about it's not fair to Menell in an earlier message -- Why the hell does it have to be fair? It's a business!

Some posters have a hard on for Menell and generally dislike most of the things Guerin does/has done. So when they hear that Menell wasn't offered a 1-way it's a hill they choose to die on. However petty it might be.

 

[guitarhunterdude]

Not sure why some of us are all bent out of shape over Menell not getting a 1-way contract from Guerin. How many more small D do we need on this team. We need to get some grit on the back end so we are harder to play against especially with Suter being bought out. I think someone mentioned about it's not fair to Menell in an earlier message -- Why the hell does it have to be fair? It's a business!

We need competent defensemen, period, which Menell may very well be. Demanding a two-way contract, from a guy like Menell who would never clear waivers anyway, is asinine if Guerin is in fact doing that.

However I think it's just Russo saying that, and I don't believe him.

 

[AKL]

Some posters have a hard on for Menell and generally dislike most of the things Guerin does/has done. So when they hear that Menell wasn't offered a 1-way it's a hill they choose to die on. However petty it might be.

No one's dying on any hill. Stop being so dramatic about it.

 

[Engebretson]

He is my least favorite MN sports columnist by a wiiiiiiiide margin.

When I used to listen to the Russo/Souhan podcasts, I really only did so because Souhan only acted as the moderator and let Russo do most of the talking. Souhan would only throw in occasional anecdotes from his time covering the Twins and Vikings. Tying Suter and Parise to Randy Moss with the Vikings is a stretch, which he knows, but he's just trying to grab clicks.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Some posters have a hard on for Menell and generally dislike most of the things Guerin does/has done. So when they hear that Menell wasn't offered a 1-way it's a hill they choose to die on. However petty it might be.

I don't have a "hard on" but I think his last 2 years have been extremely promising, and not something to throw away over something so pointless.

The 1-way thing is just confusion based how little it might actually matter.

 

[Jesus comma Brodin]

Some posters have a hard on for Menell and generally dislike most of the things Guerin does/has done. So when they hear that Menell wasn't offered a 1-way it's a hill they choose to die on. However petty it might be.

Or maybe, just maybe, some of aren't going to blindly get on our knees for every move that he has made like some others who take criticisms of Geurin like someone shot their dog

 

[TaLoN]

Or maybe, just maybe, some of aren't going to blindly get on our knees for every move that he has made like some others who take criticisms of Geurin like someone shot their dog

Hey now, let's keep the poor little dogs out of this.

I hope it's safe to say that no canines were injured in the making of this thread.

 

[2Pair]

Some posters have a hard on for Menell and generally dislike most of the things Guerin does/has done. So when they hear that Menell wasn't offered a 1-way it's a hill they choose to die on. However petty it might be.

Some posters understand how contracts and the CBA works.

 

[Mickey the mouse]

Some posters understand how contracts and the CBA works.

Yes, some do.

Menell, An RFA with 5 NHL games played , is under team control. I think he has Arb rights so if he chooses he can file for Arb if he doesn't like wild's offer. Also, Arb is for NHL salary only so BG can offer him whatever he wants for minor league salary.

Putting all the 1 way / 2 way stuff aside, he still has to beat out Addison who just so happens to be BG's guy he traded for

 

[2Pair]

Yes, some do.

Menell, An RFA with 5 NHL games played , is under team control. I think he has Arb rights so if he chooses he can file for Arb if he doesn't like wild's offer. Also, Arb is for NHL salary only so BG can offer him whatever he wants for minor league salary.

Putting all the 1 way / 2 way stuff aside, he still has to beat out Addison who just so happens to be BG's guy he traded for

What does Guerin/Minnesota gain by getting Menell to sign a two-way deal?

 

[grimmel95]

Or maybe, just maybe, some of aren't going to blindly get on our knees for every move that he has made like some others who take criticisms of Geurin like someone shot their dog

Maybe Guerin and Bracket have a different viewpoint on where Menell sits in the pecking order. Maybe just maybe they are as high on him as the rest of us. I think there's something there but it's not like I see the Wild staff jumping at the chance to lock him into this organization.

 

[2Pair]

Maybe Guerin and Bracket have a different viewpoint on where Menell sits in the pecking order. Maybe just maybe they are as high on him as the rest of us. I think there's something there but it's not like I see the Wild staff jumping at the chance to lock him into this organization.

A question for you as well. What does Guerin/Minnesota stand to lose by signing Menell for 1 year at close to league minimum?

 

[grimmel95]

A question for you as well. What does Guerin/Minnesota stand to lose by signing Menell for 1 year at close to league minimum?

That's a good question and I'll try to answer it from my perspective.
1. If Wild brass don't think Menell is ready yet for the NHL roster then it's taking up a roster spot and salary though the salary isn't that important if it's 1m or less.
2. Does Menell fit Guerin's vision for this team right now. He wants to be hard to play against in all areas of the game but I think he wants more grit on the back end and I fairly certain that's not Menell's strong suit.

just my thoughts on this. I like Menell but let's see what Guerin has planned over the next week or two.

 

[Mickey the mouse]

What does Guerin/Minnesota gain by getting Menell to sign a two-way deal?

It's called business and BG has a fiduciary responsibility to Owner.

Why didn't the AHL MVP 2 years ago get a 1 way extension ?

Like i said earlier, I wish Menell was given a chance to play 20-25 games over those older guys but he wasn't.

Closest comp I can find is Caps player Bobbby Nardella

Year 1 110k / 750k
Year 2 750k 1 way

 

[2Pair]

It's called business and BG has a fiduciary responsibility to Owner.

Why didn't the AHL MVP 2 years ago get a 1 way extension ?

Like i said earlier, I wish Menell was given a chance to play 20-25 games over those older guys but he wasn't.

Closest comp I can find is Caps player Bobbby Nardella

Year 1 110k / 750k
Year 2 750k 1 way

You did nothing to actually answer my question

 

[2Pair]

That's a good question and I'll try to answer it from my perspective.
1. If Wild brass don't think Menell is ready yet for the NHL roster then it's taking up a roster spot and salary though the salary isn't that important if it's 1m or less.
2. Does Menell fit Guerin's vision for this team right now. He wants to be hard to play against in all areas of the game but I think he wants more grit on the back end and I fairly certain that's not Menell's strong suit.

just my thoughts on this. I like Menell but let's see what Guerin has planned over the next week or two.

1. He just paid Brad Hunt $1.4M over 2 years to take up a roster spot he had no business holding.
2. If that's the case, then why even negotiate a contract with the kid?
If they don't think he's a NHL player then that's fine. Move on and wish the kid well. My only beef with the situation is why would they be hung up on an AHL salary that they're not going to pay anyway? Menell might not ever amount to anything in the NHL but there will be a handful of teams that would be more than willing to snatch him off of waivers and give him a month+ to see if he can help them.

 

[grimmel95]

1. He just paid Brad Hunt $1.4M over 2 years to take up a roster spot he had no business holding.
2. If that's the case, then why even negotiate a contract with the kid?
If they don't think he's a NHL player then that's fine. Move on and wish the kid well. My only beef with the situation is why would they be hung up on an AHL salary that they're not going to pay anyway? Menell might not ever amount to anything in the NHL but there will be a handful of teams that would be more than willing to snatch him off of waivers and give him a month+ to see if he can help them.

Maybe the issue is that Menell wasn't good enough to take a vets spot on the roster. Not saying it was right or that he couldn't but Hunt was supposed to be that PP specialist which is why he was on the team. I'm hoping he gets a chance on this team. I was just trying to answer the question you asked from a diff perspective than the one I was constantly using -- (I like Menell and want to see him on the team).

 

[BagHead]

Yes, some do.

Menell, An RFA with 5 NHL games played , is under team control. I think he has Arb rights so if he chooses he can file for Arb if he doesn't like wild's offer. Also, Arb is for NHL salary only so BG can offer him whatever he wants for minor league salary.

Putting all the 1 way / 2 way stuff aside, he still has to beat out Addison who just so happens to be BG's guy he traded for

Does he, though? If Seattle takes Soucy we'll need both of them on the team. (barring trades and UFAs)

Brodin - Spurgeon
Menell - Dumba
Cole (or another UFA) - Addison

Menell would be on his off-hand, but I'm not sure who else we have that is even close to NHL ready. Our LDs in the system are O'Rourke, Daemon Hunt, Fedor Gordeev and Marshall Warren. I think I'd prefer Menell or Addison on their off-hand. This is kinda why I was against losing two defensemen this off-season.

 

[2Pair]

Maybe the issue is that Menell wasn't good enough to take a vets spot on the roster. Not saying it was right or that he couldn't but Hunt was supposed to be that PP specialist which is why he was on the team. I'm hoping he gets a chance on this team. I was just trying to answer the question you asked from a diff perspective than the one I was constantly using -- (I like Menell and want to see him on the team).

If Menell isn't better than Hunt, then it's a mistake to even be discussing a contract with the kid

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

The #3 RD spot should be Menell's until/unless he shows that he can't do it. Then you waive him and bring Addison up.

I can't believe there's an AHL salary hangup here when Leipold just approved paying Suter nearly $7M to not play for us.