Why the Habs need to make a push now

[Milhouse40]

Well, I don't know how it can be argued that Pacioretty and Galchenyuk were not major moves. I didn't at all mean to refer to Bergevin's slogans in the process. I have no way of knowing what "attitude" means exactly and frankly, you need to be in the dressing room to know. It's an intangible that we can't really gauge from afar, if it's even an issue worth delving into in the first place.

You are correct in that no other major moves having taken place since the summer, we don't know with absolute certainty whether last summer was the result of the GM having turned a corner or a lucky hand. I'd like to believe that they've learned something and that they're on a path. His mid-season presser gave some hope that they're committed to following a plan that involves not taking shortcuts. I'm all for it, but stick to the plan this time.

At the beginning of the season.....
Send kotkaniemi back to Finland and WJC. It would not have hurt him and his developement
Give a full year to Mete in the AHL, same for Juulsen, let Bouchard work with them and see if he's all that.

Plug the holes with crap...play Plekanec as your 3rd line center, Peca your 4th all season.
Put Alzner on the top pairing. keep Schlemballs, Plekanec and Alzner in.

That would have been a nightmare of a season. That team would have sucked so bad.

But right now, we would be probably selling Tatar, Petry and others to the highest bidder and in line to add another top 5 picks and would be adding a couple of picks to our already big pool of picks. We were ready for that, in fact most expected that and i was okay with it and that's the direction of a commited GM.

But nope, the organization did everything they could to be where they are now....for me, that was the signal that nothing has changed. In my book that's already a giant mistake if the plan is to retool. In 2012, they could also let Gallagher and Galchenyuk down for the season, keep Gomez around for another year.....but nope, they had to compete.

 

[jaffy27]

The slogan comment was just a snide comment to contrast the actual impact on team spirit of Pacioretty's depature. It had nothing to do with what you said.

My point is that Pac seemed to be a problem as a captain. Team cohesion was its lowest it had been in a long time. Not only did management take so much time to do something about that, it seems it just happened kinda accidently with Pacioretty wanting to leave.

you rip the C off his jersey, you’ve lost all of Paciorettys value.....they handled it the right way and got great value

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Yep, and it not help that Max was 3x smarter than MB and educated.

Hey man, Bergevin yé t'allé à lécolle dla rue m'okay?

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

you rip the C off his jersey, you’ve lost all of Paciorettys value.....they handled it the right way and got great value

You missed my point.

Completely.

 

[cphabs]

Hey man, Bergevin yé t'allé à lécolle dla rue m'okay?

What?

 

[Milhouse40]

Thats not true. In the last seven drafts Montreal has picked in the top half 3 times, 3rd Koko Puffs, 9th Sergachev, 3rd Chucky.

Price started to be Price in 2013, so after Galchenyuk was drafted
Sergachev was drafted the year Price got injured....and for the part that he was there, the team was first in their division.

You got 1 year in 6 years actually.

 

[jaffy27]

At the beginning of the season.....
Send kotkaniemi back to Finland and WJC. It would not have hurt him and his developement
Give a full year to Mete in the AHL, same for Juulsen, let Bouchard work with them and see if he's all that.

Plug the holes with crap...play Plekanec as your 3rd line center, Peca your 4th all season.
Put Alzner on the top pairing. keep Schlemballs, Plekanec and Alzner in.

That would have been a nightmare of a season. That team would have sucked so bad.

But right now, we would be probably selling Tatar, Petry and others to the highest bidder and in line to add another top 5 picks and would be adding a couple of picks to our already big pool of picks. We were ready for that, in fact most expected that and i was okay with it and that's the direction of a commited GM.

But nope, the organization did everything they could to be where they are now....for me, that was the signal that nothing has changed. In my book that's already a giant mistake if the plan is to retool. In 2012, they could also let Gallagher and Galchenyuk down for the season, keep Gomez around for another year.....but nope, they had to compete.

You make tanking sound so easy.....why aren’t the bottom teams selling off everything right now? Why for the life of me does Arizona keep OEL, they suck year in year out, why did they not ask for a 1st round pick for Domi, why a once 25yr old 30 goal scorer

 

[jaffy27]

You missed my point.

Completely.

I guess I did

 

[jaffy27]

Price started to be Price in 2013, so after Galchenyuk was drafted
Sergachev was drafted the year Price got injured....and for the part that he was there, the team was first in their division.

You got 1 year in 6 years actually.

So what you’re saying is the team Bergevin inherited could not win anything without Price??

 

[FF de Mars]

Weber is more than an elite defensive specialist. Granted, he's not the most dynamic puck mover, but his shot creates so much chaos if it's not in the back of the net.

He is one of the greatest goal scorers we have seen in this league as a d-man. In his first 14 seasons, his goal totals are comparable to the greats of this game, all of whom happened to play in a much more goal driven era.

Slap shot, defensive awarness and physicality are his only elite attributes, and physicality is the least important skill you can find in an elite player. Elite players have skating, deking, ice vision, elusiveness, wrist shot, slap shot, passing, poking, offensive awarness, etc. In other words, Weber will be an excellent foot soldier, playing sound D; but, he's not a gamebreaker, he won't create a goal when you need to; instead, he's great at protecting the lead. Other Dmen have big canons too, other Dmen can play sound defense too.

 

[Milhouse40]

You make tanking sound so easy.....why aren’t the bottom teams selling off everything right now? Why for the life of me does Arizona keep OEL, they suck year in year out, why did they not ask for a 1st round pick for Domi, why a once 25yr old 30 goal scorer

Where did i say trade everything, i put Tatar and Petry cause they were the older assets with value......but if the Habs were at the bottom of the league right now, they would have sell some assets for sure. I never said to trade Price or Weber, Drouin, Domi.

You missed the entire point.
If the plan is to do a good rebuild/retool/reset....then keep your team bad and keep your good young kids away from this as possible. So the plan isn't that, the plan is now to compete...or maybe there's no clear directions as many have been saying for a while.

 

[JianYang]

Slap shot, defensive awarness and physicality are his only elite attributes, and physicality is the least important skill you can find in an elite player. Elite players have skating, deking, ice vision, elusiveness, wrist shot, slap shot, passing, poking, offensive awarness, etc.

Well, let's remember that the ultimate objective in this game is to score goals and prevent goals. He plays a big hand in both. What he lacks from a creative standpoint is made up with his devasting shot, which doesn't require any fancy plays.

I consider him to be an excellent dman, but my concern is his mileage.

 

[Milhouse40]

So what you’re saying is the team Bergevin inherited could not win anything without Price??

Problems with my post this afternoon....it's the total opposite.

 

[jaffy27]

Where did i say trade everything, i put Tatar and Petry cause they were the older assets with value......but if the Habs were at the bottom of the league right now, they would have sell some assets for sure. I never said to trade Price or Weber, Drouin, Domi.

You missed the entire point.
If the plan is to do a good rebuild/retool/reset....then keep your team bad and keep your good young kids away from this as possible. So the plan isn't that, the plan is now to compete...or maybe there's no clear directions as many have been saying for a while.

The second line scoring winger and #2 D......both with term.....let’s see which bottom feeder is selling these types of players

 

[jaffy27]

Problems with my post this afternoon....it's the total opposite.

Did they not draft high with Price out?

 

[jaffy27]

Problems with my post this afternoon....it's the total opposite.

No, just gauging where you are going with this

 

[Milhouse40]

Did they not draft high with Price out?

Yes they did....you missed a part somewhere.

1- You can't build a contender with mid to low round pick
2- You can't have high draft pick with Price in front of the net....unless you force it a little bit.

That's the vicious circle.

 

[FF de Mars]

Well, let's remember that the ultimate objective in this game is to score goals and prevent goals. He plays a big hand in both. What he lacks from a creative standpoint is made up with his devasting shot, which doesn't require any fancy plays.

I consider him to be an excellent dman, but my concern is his mileage.

Excellent, but he's not elite. Anyway, I'm neither as concerned about his mileage, I think he took the time to heal the injuries he sustained with the Preds, he plays a Chara brand of game, without the rushing part, I think he can play at a high level for a very long time.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Yes they did....you missed a part somewhere.

1- You can't build a contender with mid to low round pick
2- You can't have high draft pick with Price in front of the net....unless you force it a little bit.

That's the vicious circle.

Bergevin art

 

[G0bias]

 

[Belial]

These TDL acquisitions are so overrated, to be honest...

When was the last time a player acquired at the TDL made a huge difference?

 

[HOPE]

impatient fans.

Follow the process, overachieving shouldn't change the plan.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Thread débile

 

[ArsHabs]

Other things to consider;

This Draft is fairly weak; With Kotkaniemi, Domi, Danault, Poehling, Evans, Olofsson. I think the Habs are set in stone at Center. We also have Primeau who in my mind is a blue chip prospect keeper and most Habs fan are underrated him. He could very well be Price's backup in 3 years. That leaves us with Defense; with the emergence of Romanov and Brook this year and you could also add Cale Fleury, who is having a pretty decent first pro season. Habs are not looking too bad but we have to keep in mind that we will need to replace Petry and Weber in the near future so this really make the Defense our biggest needs. The 2019 draft, in my opinion, is pretty average especially for defencemen. I'm very high on Byram but he obviously won't be available. Other then that I'm not a big fan of York, Robertson, Seider, Broberg etc. there is not many D that project to be top 2 D.

Lots of good players available; I can't remember the last year that we had so many big names available at the deadline. That means the price for a rental will be lower than usual. We could be getting a player like Zuccarello for a 2nd rounder + mid prospect. This was the price for Plekanec last year. If him bergevin I would be targeting a player that could help our PP.

I would be willing to move a player like Suzuki or our 1 or 2nd rounder pick depending on the offer.

Lots of good players available; I can't remember the last year that we had so many big names available at the deadline. That mean the price for a rental will be lower then usual. We could be getting a player like Zuccarello for a 2nd rounder + mid prospect. This was the price for Plekanec last year. If him bergevin I would be targeting a player that could help our PP.

I would be willing to move a player like Suzuki or our 1 or 2nd rounder pick depending on the offer.

This draft is weak? This is one of the most top heavy drafts I’ve seen in terms of forward prospects in quite some time. I do agree this may be a buyers market at the TDL, but I personally won’t go for a rental. We aren’t cup contending this year and for once I agree with MB. If we make a trade, it needs to be a hockey trade.

Moving Suzuki, one of our top-5 prospects with an early round pick for a rental is no way worth it for a rental.

 

[Deebs]

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