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You hated Scotty Bowman 364 days a year, and on day 365 you won the Cup.
You're trying to circumvent what I said."Seems like" being the operative phrase. This is another thread of HF talking out of it's posterior.
Torts has his flaws but he's a proven winner
who ends up getting buy in from most players. I say most, because no one person gets along with everyone and that goes for coaches and pro athletes.
There also seems to be some weird misconception that players and coaches or even players and players need to be buddies or blood brothers.
Except you can't just say a player's an outlier and needs to go, in a world with a hard cap.That's not the case at all. They need to be on the same page working towards a common goal-that's it. If you don't buy into the team's goals and the team's culture you are an outlier and need to go. That's it.
It's not difficult to view Tort's career...and observe the cloud of drama, destruction, chaos, and players jumping ship, that appears to follow him in time, everywhere he goes. Combine that with what we as fans see of his abrasive personality, and overcompensating hardass persona publicly, plus piecing in snippets of what we hear from "inside the building" with these organizations as he's on the way out...It paints a pretty darn clear picture.
Obviously he's got his "lead dogs", the guys he really likes and leans on, and respond to his leadership style. Those guys are going to be vocal supporters. But a handful of vocal "positive" experiences coming to light doesn't mean there isn't an iceberg of negative experiences under the surface.
The problem is...everything about him, points to him being the type of "boss" who treats people with disrespect and condescension to constantly reassert their position "in charge". The type who comes with the rigid narcissistic hierarchical mentality of "break them down, and rebuild them in my own image". The "my way, or the highway" inflexibility that is genuinely unpleasant to encounter, and highly ineffective in making the most of actual abilities of those under them, if they don't fit into that confined scope of "My Way". It's a dinosaur mode of thinking.
The reality is, different people learn, and perform better under very different types of motivation. Good leadership requires flexibility and understanding what makes different people tick. That's the real reason coaches are generally shifting toward an outwardly "softer" and more "pliable" style. Because it's more effective across a broad section of different personalities. Not because players today are just a bunch of mentally weak snowflakes who need "coddling". And that doesn't mean those "softer" coaches are incapable of bringing the heat when it's needed, or for players who respond specifically to that type of motivation. It just outwardly doesn't show that way, because those types of coaches also tend to be perceptive enough to realize that being outwardly prickly and antagonistic toward the media and fans...isn't the way to get the most out of that relationship either.
You hated Scotty Bowman 364 days a year, and on day 365 you won the Cup.
Exactly. That has been said by Montreal Canadiens players.You hated Scotty Bowman 364 days a year, and on day 365 you won the Cup.
Maybe because his players and even assistant coaches all ghosted him in the immediate aftermath of Tampa winning the 04 Cup? Direct quote from Torts:
Because Tortorella is an unpleasant asshole. Not farfetched to think there are players, probably many, who do not like him.
John Tortorella isn't the professor that would write you a good recommendation though
Agreed. Market influence is real.Where did I say anything about luxury cars? I didn’t and as has been discussed, it does depend on where you live. The cost of living in Naperville, Illinois is going to be a lot different than Broadview, Illinois.
Man you have a lot of bad takes. Hard work will get you 6 figures, regardless of your grades in college/university. People float through all the time, and figure out their life later. And yes, sometimes those teaches or professors you hated when you were younger, you come to appreciate more as you get older.If you think Torts is a great coach and C's are going to get you a porsche I'm not sure we live on the same planet, lol.
Thanks, I totally forgot about CAD vs USD.Agreed. Market influence is real.
Average home price in the US is 264k. California and Hawaii are the highest at just over $550k.
Only 10.3% of the us population’s household income is above $200k per year. $69k is the median household income U.S. income distribution 2019 | Statista
Also he’s using Canadian dollars, so his $100k is your $82k
"This guy keeps getting fired a lot and seems to have a short shelf life...
...IT MUST BE THE SNOWFLAKE MEDIA"
Scotty Bowman won the cup 9 times. He has went to the finals even more times than that. When you win as much as he did, you get way more leniency. It also helps that he started coaching in the 60s, which was over 60 years ago. Society has changed. Players have changed. Tortorella won a cup 17 years ago. He made it to the conference finals eight years ago.You hated Scotty Bowman 364 days a year, and on day 365 you won the Cup.
That’s not exactly true. Your wage can take you as far as you ride the markets. If a person took advantage of the housing crash a dozen years ago, you could afford a nice house and nice car for under 100k.If you want to own a home and a decent car, not really. And even then you're basically house poor.
Pretty much need $200K+ to partake in some luxuries.
That’s not exactly true. Your wage can take you as far as you ride the markets. If a person took advantage of the housing crash a dozen years ago, you could afford a nice house and nice car for under 100k.
In today’s sorta post-Covid inflated world, yeah, trying to buy new things is difficult.
Thanks, I totally forgot about CAD vs USD.
Tortorella isn't even in the same universe as BowmanYou hated Scotty Bowman 364 days a year, and on day 365 you won the Cup.
So you give them poor marks to proove a point and in turn making it impossible to get into a masters program.
Breaking a person to fix a person is exactly the narrative people like torts work with.
It's stockholm syndrome. It's psyc 101, if you are stuck with a domineering personality you protect your ego by believing you want to be treated like shit.
You're acting as if the alternative to Torts is a soft participation points coach.
There's a whole lot of hard and tough people out there.
There's a big difference between tough love and being tough without love.
He has the blatant personality profile of a malignant narcissist. Just because you fear participation point coaching, it doesn't excuse this guys behaviour.
Guy's ego is too fragile to be someone who can truly adapt to criticism.
If he had a better personality you could believe the toughness pays off but it doesn't, there's a reason he's a franchise hopper.
Torts is a parasite he burns through people and because people buy in they believe the players fail and not him.
We can look at The Athletic's anonymous player poll taken two years ago:
That doesn't answer the question of whether they like him but on average they don't want to play for him.
Is it due to the press conferences? Do people think that's how he's actually like to his players? I encourage everyone to read the deep dive from the Athletic article with anonymous Blue Jackets interviewed, they all like Torts, just felt it was time for a change. There was a lot more animosity towards the current GM. I think h'es a really good coach (not just his Cup, also his continued success) and think he'd be a good add for any team.