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Trocheck is the worst of the big 5 but he's also young and on a good contract. Hoffman is going to start his decline in a couple years and they'd be stuck.
If we sign Bob and Panarin (Hoff stays as well)
Hu-Barkov-Panarin
Hoffman-Tro-Dadanov
Vatrano-Borg-Tippett
Jayce-Sheehan-Brouwer
Scev/Lammiko
Bob
Lu
With all this talk about Hoffman, I think next season will be a telling one for Trocheck. He has been on a downward trajectory the past couple of years 5v5, and we are having problems finding wingers for him. He really needs to use his teammates more often, and stop this him alone against the opposition mentality.
If we sign Bob and Panarin (Hoff stays as well)
Hu-Barkov-Panarin
Hoffman-Tro-Dadanov
Vatrano-Borg-Tippett
Jayce-Sheehan-Brouwer
Scev/Lammiko
Bob
Lu
Everything except Matheson on the first pair looks greatHuberdeau - Barkov - HoffmanBoughner can easily tinker with chemistry but feel these are well balanced and bring a different element to each line. Could easily switch Borgstrom and Trocheck if the Artist stumbles. The Russians may gel with Barkov better as well.
- Huberdeau and Barkov are too good to break up, Hoffman is our best shooter so why not give him all the passing he can handle? Hoffman may end up becoming our own rental but maybe when LU retires along with another $2 million cap increase, we can cut some corners on the 4th line and offer Hoffman a longer term deal with less AAV?
Dadonov - Borgstrom - Panarin
- I think Panarin is his own line driver where Borgstrom and Dadonov can be good complimentary pieces for him. Obviously the Russians know each other well and allows Borgstrom to be insulated by two veterans. Hoping Panarin can spark Dadonov of last year and Borgstrom could probably put up decent numbers being the trailer on the play and continuing to be a 2 way C.
Vatrano - Trocheck - Hawryluk
-This becomes a solid checking line for us, all 3 are wrecking balls, can skate and like to shoot the puck. Trocheck can still be a decent playmaker and he usually skates it into the O-zone and looks to pass it out front all the time. FV and JH seem to drive to the net 24/7. Trocheck may feel slighted but winning cures all, may help shock him into his former glory of 2015-16
Ginner - Sheahan - Brouwer
- They would all have to take sweetheart deals but this could be one of the best 4th lines we've had in a while. Scevioiur just isn't cutting it anymore imo and can be replaced by Brouwer.
Matheson - Ekblad
- Matheson can skate the puck out of our zone, has the wheels to make up for Ekblad when he pinches and vica versa. Ekblad's skating IS getting better but Boog can let Ekblad run wild on the PP more, he needs to remain a 2 way guy 5 on 5. Matheson has the skill and skating to become a top pairing guy, just needs to pull it together.
Yandle - Manson
- Yandle can probably use a slight reduction in 5 on 5 minutes as he starts to get in his mid 30's, he's always going to be our #1 PPQB and rack up points. Manson brings a physical element and hopefully will cover up for Yandle's inconsistency in our own end. Manson isn't have the greatest year in ANA but has been solid the 4 years prior. Has 3 yrs left @ $4.1 million and can be exposed if we go 7-3-1 in expansion
McCoshen - Weegar/Brown
- McCoshen is a decent stopgap while Gildon or Stillman are ready. Just don't have a ton of confidence in Ian being here long term. We kind of know what we have with Weegar and is fine on the bottom pairing. Brown is pretty solid, absolutely no offense but he knows his role and hasn't looked out of place in his17 games.
Bob
Lu/Monty
- If Lu is healthy and wants to continue, let him play 15 games and get Monty 5-10 as well. Bob comes in and hopefully brings us consistent top 10 goaltending for the next 5-6 years.
Lu can always take maintenance days and that's when Monty swoops in who can still slide down to AHL (waiver exempt)
****Reimer + 2020 2nd + Hunt/Malgin is traded to OTT for 2021 3rd round pick
Manson becomes a Panther in exchange for 2019 1st + Pysyk + 2020 2nd OR 2020 3rd (both FLA and COL)****
I agree with the personnel almost completely. Maybe not everyone’s position and a couple of alternatives but that will sort itself out.Huberdeau - Barkov - HoffmanBoughner can easily tinker with chemistry but feel these are well balanced and bring a different element to each line. Could easily switch Borgstrom and Trocheck if the Artist stumbles. The Russians may gel with Barkov better as well.
- Huberdeau and Barkov are too good to break up, Hoffman is our best shooter so why not give him all the passing he can handle? Hoffman may end up becoming our own rental but maybe when LU retires along with another $2 million cap increase, we can cut some corners on the 4th line and offer Hoffman a longer term deal with less AAV?
Dadonov - Borgstrom - Panarin
- I think Panarin is his own line driver where Borgstrom and Dadonov can be good complimentary pieces for him. Obviously the Russians know each other well and allows Borgstrom to be insulated by two veterans. Hoping Panarin can spark Dadonov of last year and Borgstrom could probably put up decent numbers being the trailer on the play and continuing to be a 2 way C.
Vatrano - Trocheck - Hawryluk
-This becomes a solid checking line for us, all 3 are wrecking balls, can skate and like to shoot the puck. Trocheck can still be a decent playmaker and he usually skates it into the O-zone and looks to pass it out front all the time. FV and JH seem to drive to the net 24/7. Trocheck may feel slighted but winning cures all, may help shock him into his former glory of 2015-16
Ginner - Sheahan - Brouwer
- They would all have to take sweetheart deals but this could be one of the best 4th lines we've had in a while. Scevioiur just isn't cutting it anymore imo and can be replaced by Brouwer.
Matheson - Ekblad
- Matheson can skate the puck out of our zone, has the wheels to make up for Ekblad when he pinches and vica versa. Ekblad's skating IS getting better but Boog can let Ekblad run wild on the PP more, he needs to remain a 2 way guy 5 on 5. Matheson has the skill and skating to become a top pairing guy, just needs to pull it together.
Yandle - Manson
- Yandle can probably use a slight reduction in 5 on 5 minutes as he starts to get in his mid 30's, he's always going to be our #1 PPQB and rack up points. Manson brings a physical element and hopefully will cover up for Yandle's inconsistency in our own end. Manson isn't have the greatest year in ANA but has been solid the 4 years prior. Has 3 yrs left @ $4.1 million and can be exposed if we go 7-3-1 in expansion
McCoshen - Weegar/Brown
- McCoshen is a decent stopgap while Gildon or Stillman are ready. Just don't have a ton of confidence in Ian being here long term. We kind of know what we have with Weegar and is fine on the bottom pairing. Brown is pretty solid, absolutely no offense but he knows his role and hasn't looked out of place in his17 games.
Bob
Lu/Monty
- If Lu is healthy and wants to continue, let him play 15 games and get Monty 5-10 as well. Bob comes in and hopefully brings us consistent top 10 goaltending for the next 5-6 years.
Lu can always take maintenance days and that's when Monty swoops in who can still slide down to AHL (waiver exempt)
****Reimer + 2020 2nd + Hunt/Malgin is traded to OTT for 2021 3rd round pick
Manson becomes a Panther in exchange for 2019 1st + Pysyk + 2020 2nd OR 2020 3rd (both FLA and COL)****
Everything except Matheson on the first pair looks great
I agree with the personnel almost completely. Maybe not everyone’s position and a couple of alternatives but that will sort itself out.
One: Tippett might be ready next season.
Two: Not giving up on Scevior.
Three: I’d still find a new coach.
Sceviour still has 2 years on his contract. What would you do with him?Two: Can you explain this to me? He's nearing 30 and just has too many dry spells, Hawk and Brouwer have been way more noticeable in my eyes. Not a huge difference bewteen Brouwer and Sceviour so either or I'm fine with but with Brouwer being older, figured he would take a cheaper deal and Sheahan gets the Sceviour money
I’m thinking Scevior still has term left AND he’s pretty skilled forechecker on the fourth line. He’s been injured lately, I think we aren’t seeing the best form now.I understand the doubt in MM but Yandle has played every game for a decade, he's gonna need some less minutes soon. Maybe Matheson watching from the pressbox will open his eyes, he must know it's been a disaster season in his own end, even if Boog is praising him as a "minute muncher/PK guy".
His offense is fine but could definitely skate the puck into the O-zone more and set up more plays, it's beautiful to watch him fly around the ice with confidence.
Just feel his skating is elite, more experience to finish the year will have him ready to be sheltered a bit by Ekblad.
Ya the lines can be juggled for sure, just my mock up if I was coach.
One: I'd love for Tippett to be on the team but just think he needs some AHL seasoning to get used to the big boys. Also is easily one of the first injury call-ups but think he'd help SPR more playing top 6 minutes over bottom 6 in FLA. Hoffman gives Tippett the year to continue to develop. If Tippett does make the team, Hawk will drop down to 4th and one of Ginner/Brouwer isn't re-signed.
Two: Can you explain this to me? He's nearing 30 and just has too many dry spells, Hawk and Brouwer have been way more noticeable in my eyes. Not a huge difference bewteen Brouwer and Sceviour so either or I'm fine with but with Brouwer being older, figured he would take a cheaper deal and Sheahan gets the Sceviour money
Three: I understand and have mentioned trying to sign Q with Bob bumped to Cap's spot if possible. Outside of Q, who would you bring in and don't you think the players and team would have a rough start again learning the new system/strategies/schemes?
Sceviour still has 2 years on his contract. What would you do with him?
I’m thinking Scevior still has term left AND he’s pretty skilled forechecker on the fourth line. He’s been injured lately, I think we aren’t seeing the best form now.
And I’d go after Q, make Boog the assistant, and give Jack the boot.
Love the forward lines, not so sure about the D - depends on how Matheson progresses.Huberdeau - Barkov - HoffmanBoughner can easily tinker with chemistry but feel these are well balanced and bring a different element to each line. Could easily switch Borgstrom and Trocheck if the Artist stumbles. The Russians may gel with Barkov better as well.
- Huberdeau and Barkov are too good to break up, Hoffman is our best shooter so why not give him all the passing he can handle? Hoffman may end up becoming our own rental but maybe when LU retires along with another $2 million cap increase, we can cut some corners on the 4th line and offer Hoffman a longer term deal with less AAV?
Dadonov - Borgstrom - Panarin
- I think Panarin is his own line driver where Borgstrom and Dadonov can be good complimentary pieces for him. Obviously the Russians know each other well and allows Borgstrom to be insulated by two veterans. Hoping Panarin can spark Dadonov of last year and Borgstrom could probably put up decent numbers being the trailer on the play and continuing to be a 2 way C.
Vatrano - Trocheck - Hawryluk
-This becomes a solid checking line for us, all 3 are wrecking balls, can skate and like to shoot the puck. Trocheck can still be a decent playmaker and he usually skates it into the O-zone and looks to pass it out front all the time. FV and JH seem to drive to the net 24/7. Trocheck may feel slighted but winning cures all, may help shock him into his former glory of 2015-16
Ginner - Sheahan - Brouwer
- They would all have to take sweetheart deals but this could be one of the best 4th lines we've had in a while. Scevioiur just isn't cutting it anymore imo and can be replaced by Brouwer.
Matheson - Ekblad
- Matheson can skate the puck out of our zone, has the wheels to make up for Ekblad when he pinches and vica versa. Ekblad's skating IS getting better but Boog can let Ekblad run wild on the PP more, he needs to remain a 2 way guy 5 on 5. Matheson has the skill and skating to become a top pairing guy, just needs to pull it together.
Yandle - Manson
- Yandle can probably use a slight reduction in 5 on 5 minutes as he starts to get in his mid 30's, he's always going to be our #1 PPQB and rack up points. Manson brings a physical element and hopefully will cover up for Yandle's inconsistency in our own end. Manson isn't have the greatest year in ANA but has been solid the 4 years prior. Has 3 yrs left @ $4.1 million and can be exposed if we go 7-3-1 in expansion
McCoshen - Weegar/Brown
- McCoshen is a decent stopgap while Gildon or Stillman are ready. Just don't have a ton of confidence in Ian being here long term. We kind of know what we have with Weegar and is fine on the bottom pairing. Brown is pretty solid, absolutely no offense but he knows his role and hasn't looked out of place in his17 games.
Bob
Lu/Monty
- If Lu is healthy and wants to continue, let him play 15 games and get Monty 5-10 as well. Bob comes in and hopefully brings us consistent top 10 goaltending for the next 5-6 years.
Lu can always take maintenance days and that's when Monty swoops in who can still slide down to AHL (waiver exempt)
****Reimer + 2020 2nd + Hunt/Malgin is traded to OTT for 2021 3rd round pick
Manson becomes a Panther in exchange for 2019 1st + Pysyk + 2020 2nd OR 2020 3rd (both FLA and COL)****
Love the forward lines, not so sure about the D - depends on how Matheson progresses.
I get what you're saying, but there's a big gap between giving up on Matheson (trading him for a bag of pucks) and trusting him to play first pairing.I dont think anyone is gonna like Matheson on the top pairing when any recent thoughts of him are what they are.
Boog has finally committed to breaking up #3 and #5 so just figured Matheson is already 20-21mins a game, if anything the minutes will stay the same but his competition would get way harder.
As always, the lines can be shuffled but we should have more faith in MM because management does giving him 8yrs. Remember just a year and a half ago when most were ready to "trade" Ekbust? Well he's turned his game around pretty well so we gotta hope MM can do the same. Hoping the time off will allow to get a different POV of things in our own end and will pay attention to the finer details of coverage and positioning in front of the net.
I get what you're saying, but there's a big gap between giving up on Matheson (trading him for a bag of pucks) and trusting him to play first pairing.
Ekblad-Matheson pairing has a big upside but coupled with the occasional oh crap. Depends what forward line is on; if it’s Barkov’s, both Ek and Math being offensive pinchers (resulting in 2-on-1 or breakaway) is less likely because of Barkov’s overall awareness. If it’s Tro’s.... I might just avoid having them on at the same time unless both Ek and Math get the message to play defense when Tro’s line is on.No doubt, totally agree but if Boog is going to continue to split up Yandle and Ekblad, who would you pair with with Ekblad? A less experienced Weegar, Brown or McCoshen?
We all experienced Ekblads ups and downs learning the D-zone game, may have to do the same thing with Matheson. I think management feel Ekblad is experienced enough to be the man now and he can shelter other guys.
Ekblad-Matheson pairing has a big upside but coupled with the occasional oh crap. Depends what forward line is on; if it’s Barkov’s, both Ek and Math being offensive pinchers (resulting in 2-on-1 or breakaway) is less likely because of Barkov’s overall awareness. If it’s Tro’s.... I might just avoid having them on at the same time unless both Ek and Math get the message to play defense when Tro’s line is on.
Hoffman just doesn't seem plausible financially. How can they extend him and add a dman a fit under the cap, in addition to adding Bob and Panarin? Remember, if the Reims buy-out rumors are true that's 3.5 million in 2021.
Whoever we acquire in the offseason? No way Weegar, Brown or McCoshen should be on the first pairing.No doubt, totally agree but if Boog is going to continue to split up Yandle and Ekblad, who would you pair with with Ekblad? A less experienced Weegar, Brown or McCoshen?
We all experienced Ekblads ups and downs learning the D-zone game, may have to do the same thing with Matheson. I think management feel Ekblad is experienced enough to be the man now and he can shelter other guys.
Hoffman just doesn't seem plausible financially. How can they extend him and add a dman a fit under the cap, in addition to adding Bob and Panarin? Remember, if the Reims buy-out rumors are true that's 3.5 million in 2021.