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If you're including his time with the Oilers, I would give the nod to Tikkanen, but that's not the question.
As Rangers, I think there's some serious Cup bias here.
Who was the most effective pest for the Rangers?
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As Rangers, I think there's some serious Cup bias here.
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Oh, the stupidity.
Eh, DeAngelo would absolutely have the same takes. He just knows how to handle social media better.
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yeah, no bias from your end, hockey historians will think Sean Avery over Esa Tikkanen
An ahole vs a hockey player.
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I have made posts on this very page specifically on how Avery was not just an asshole, but ok.yeah, no bias from your end, hockey historians will think Sean Avery over Esa Tikkanen
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and he’s a wannabe Esa Tikkanen. Any hockey fan worth their salt knows the difference.
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and Marc Staal is a better fighter than Joey Kocur b/c Staal lost fewer fights. lol
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Again, Tikkanen had a better career and it's not even close. If we're talking about just as a Ranger, I give it to Avery... by the barest of margins.
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Were you old enough to watch and understand what you were watching in the 1994 playoff?
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lol awesome. Rangers don’t win the Cup without him but yeah, Sean Avery lol. Real great player.
Wiki’s writeup is great. Esa has a notable achievement section with Avery nothing more than controversy.
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What does that have to do with anything? Tikkanen played on and contributed to a Presidents' Trophy winning powerhouse that was able to win a Cup on the offensive strength of a group of 6 that didn't include him. Avery never had an opportunity to do something like that. Put the prime Avery we got with the Rangers on the 94 team, and he probably contributes just as much as post-prime Tikkanen.
Which doesn't even matter. There's no part of what I'm saying that suggests Tikkanen wasn't good.
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multiple times ranked in the top 3 for the Selke Trophy voting. Avery, nothing.
Put this question on the main board. The results would be hysterically one sided.
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For f***s' sake man. We're not talking about the full careers of either player.
Guess how many times Tikkanen ranked top-3 for the Selke as a Ranger?
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Stanley Cup with the Rangers don’t count now? Oh yeah, Sean Avery. Career 5 playoff goals. He was in real demand across the league for his services right? A highly touted talent who just happened to be on bad teams right? I’ll take Esa, you can hang onto a punk who teams ignored come playoff time. He could never pull it off.
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Admittedly the sloppy seconds remark is pretty unforgettable.
Craig Carton has a following too.
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Ah yes, the main boards. The all-knowing authority of hockey.
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the teacher who believes he is never wrong would have his hands full . . . again.
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Tawnos
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Who isn't counting it? If we're talking about playoff performances... teams didn't ignore Avery. I'll give Tikkanen credit as being a major factor in the defeats of the Caps in 94 and the Panthers in 97. If I'm being generous, I'll add the Islanders in 94 to that list. I'll give Avery credit as being a major factor in the defeats of the Thrashers in 07 and the Devils in 08. So, slight advantage to Tikkanen in the playoffs.
However, the acquisition of Avery in 07 with 35% of the season to go single-handedly turned that team around. He gave the team a pretty big jolt when he came back in 09 as well. The Rangers' record with and without Avery in those three years was pretty staggering, IIRC. Tikkanen never meant as much to the fortunes of the Rangers as Avery did in the regular season. At least, that makes it a wash, in terms of their Rangers careers. I'm still giving the slight edge to Avery because we got to see how different the team was without him. Granted, we never really got the same kind of opportunity to see the Ranges without Tikkanen, but I'm going with it.
I have nothing but love for Tikkanen, though. So this conversation is a lot about nothing.
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Tik was a complete player, Avery was not. Avery played for himself, Tik played for the team, it's why he had such a long career because teams actually wanted him. There's no cup bias, he was a complete player who took on shut down roles, if there's any bias in the thread it's recency bias. The two players arent even close as to what they could do on the ice. At times Avery couldnt even be trusted to be on the ice by the coaches, nobody ever said that about Tik.
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Yeah, Avery was ignored in the playoffs.
We just had the league making up rules and a Hall of Fame goaltender refusing to shake his hand. No big deal kind of stuff.
We just had the league making up rules and a Hall of Fame goaltender refusing to shake his hand. No big deal kind of stuff.
