Who do you build around: Draisaitl or Mackinnon?

[Muffin]

Because of injuries.

Pretending it's because of a lack of quality is pretty disingenuous.

How? They can't exactly help MacKinnon score points when they're sitting in IR. Doesn't change the fact that MacKinnon put up those points without much help whether it's due to injuries or lack of quality linemates is irrelevant.

 

[4EDM14OIL93]

2020 playoffs MacKinnon was the best player in the world, if he can sustain that level of play he'll surpass McDavid let alone Draisaitl. He was on a 137 point pace in the playoffs, that's unheard of.

127 point pace after 71 games is way more impressive than 137 after 15

 

[Muffin]

127 point pace after 71 games is way more impressive than 137 after 15

Playoffs>>>>Regular season. Much harder to produce in the tigher checking playoffs than the regular season.

 

[McDNicks17]

How? They can't exactly help MacKinnon score points when they're sitting in IR. Doesn't change the fact that MacKinnon put up those points without much help whether it's due to injuries or lack of quality linemates is irrelevant.

He still played 70% of his ice time with Rantanen and/or Landeskog.

This whole "no help" false narrative needs to die.

 

[Steven Toast]

He still played 70% of his ice time with Rantanen and/or Landeskog.

This whole "no help" false narrative needs to die.

Anyone who argues that point is stating they think the Oilers roster is better overall than the Aves.

I appreciated that sentiment but I can't agree with it.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Playoffs>>>>Regular season. Much harder to produce in the tigher checking playoffs than the regular season.

15 game sample size.

 

[avsfan09]

So Matt Barzal is better than Evgeni Malkin?

What does your comparison if Barzal vs Malkin have to do with Nate vs Leon... the players in your post aren't equivalent at all. I don't understand how you think this is a good point

 

[avsfan09]

According to PuckIQ, Draisaitl played against elite competition more than MacKinnon did.

Defenseman or their top lines? What exactly is the measure of elite competition... it's so vague.

 

[Stuzchuk]

MacK

 

[McDNicks17]

Defenseman or their top lines? What exactly is the measure of elite competition... it's so vague.

I believe it's a combination of the two.

Link here: PuckIQ | Woodmoney

 

[Yackiberg8]

Anyone who argues that point is stating they think the Oilers roster is better overall than the Aves.

I appreciated that sentiment but I can't agree with it.

McDavid>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rantanen/Landeskog

 

[Rabid Ranger]

How has Draisaitl not separated himself from the likes of Matthews, Eichel, Barkov, Aho, Pettersson, current Ovi, etc? Please tell me how. He was on pace for nearly 130 points, and already has a 50 goal season under his belt

So you consider him a tier above those players? Who else is in the same tier?

 

[Muffin]

15 game sample size.

54 points in 40 career playoff games.

 

[Muffin]

He still played 70% of his ice time with Rantanen and/or Landeskog.

This whole "no help" false narrative needs to die.

Rantanen only played 42 games Landeskog 54 games. MacKinnon played 40% of the year without Rantanen and like half of that without them both.

Sure he has plenty of help when they're in the line up but they weren't for like 40% of the year.

 

[4EDM14OIL93]

So you consider him a tier above those players? Who else is in the same tier?

Uhh, yeah? Most do... he just swept the three major awards

McDavid is in a tier of his own. Drai, Mack, and Kucherov make up the second tier for me

 

[4EDM14OIL93]

Playoffs>>>>Regular season. Much harder to produce in the tigher checking playoffs than the regular season.

71 games >>>>>> 15 games

 

[Muffin]

71 games >>>>>> 15 games

No it really doesn't, everyone know playoffs are where it matters. Like I said above, MacKinnon has 54 points in 40 games, far from a 15 game sample size.

McDavid and Draisaitl's playoffs numbers are nowhere close to MacKinnon's even with their inflated numbers against a Chicago team that shouldn't have sniffed the playoffs.

MacKinnon played against Arizona and Dallas who were #1 and #2 in GA in the Western conference and still put up those numbers.

 

[Poda]

What? McDavid scored 97 points? He scored more points than Rantanen and Landeskog combined. Not sure what you're talking about. In fact MacKinnon scored 43 more points than his next closest teammate.

Just add them all up and you‘ll see. I won‘t do it again. The drop off beyond Draisaitl, RNH, Yamamoto and McDavid was too significant compared to Colorado‘s depth. So pointwise MacKinnon had more help by the rest of the team than Draisaitl, whatever that counts for.

 

[Muffin]

Just add them all up and you‘ll see. I won‘t do it again. The drop off beyond Draisaitl, RNH, Yamamoto and McDavid was too significant compared to Colorado‘s depth. So pointwise MacKinnon had more help by the rest of the team than Draisaitl, whatever that counts for.

You're seriously reaching here. Do you seriously think the bottom 6 contributes to McDavid/MacKinnon/Draisaitl that much? They'll get an extra shift with them once in a while

 

[4EDM14OIL93]

No it really doesn't, everyone know playoffs are where it matters. Like I said above, MacKinnon has 54 points in 40 games, far from a 15 game sample size.

McDavid and Draisaitl's playoffs numbers are nowhere close to MacKinnon's even with their inflated numbers against a Chicago team that shouldn't have sniffed the playoffs.

MacKinnon played against Arizona and Dallas who were #1 and #2 in GA in the Western conference and still put up those numbers.

Draisaitl has solid playoff numbers as well, about 1.3 PPG. But sure that’s not even close to Mack’s 1.35. McDavid was 20 years old in his first playoffs, you know you’re good when people say getting 9 points in 13 games as a 20 year old is bad

Whatever, McDavid will make it very apparent who is the best player in the world this year. Didn’t even get to train last off season and he still paced for 124 points. And Draisaitl will likely have a third year that is better than anything Mack has done. We will see what happens in the playoffs.

 

[McDNicks17]

Rantanen only played 42 games Landeskog 54 games. MacKinnon played 40% of the year without Rantanen and like half of that without them both.

Sure he has plenty of help when they're in the line up but they weren't for like 40% of the year.

70% of his 5v5 ice time was with at least one of them.

He played more minutes with both of them than he did without them.

 

[Poda]

You're seriously reaching here. Do you seriously think the bottom 6 contributes to McDavid/MacKinnon/Draisaitl that much? They'll get an extra shift with them once in a while

Make of it whatever you like, I just referred to point totals. Whether or not that "helps“ is up to you guys.

 

[Muffin]

Draisaitl has solid playoff numbers as well, about 1.3 PPG. But sure that’s not even close to Mack’s 1.35. McDavid was 20 years old in his first playoffs, you know you’re good when people say getting 9 points in 13 games as a 20 year old is bad

Whatever, McDavid will make it very apparent who is the best player in the world this year. Didn’t even get to train last off season and he still paced for 124 points. And Draisaitl will likely have a third year that is better than anything Mack has done. We will see what happens in the playoffs.

9 points in 14 games as a 20 year old is pretty bad considering MacKinnon had 10 points in 7 games as an 18 year old.

 

[Muffin]

70% of his 5v5 ice time was with at least one of them.

He played more minutes with both of them than he did without them.

I find that hard to believe considering both of them missed significant time this year. Is that when they're all healthy or including previous years?

 

[MessierII]

Rantanen only played 42 games Landeskog 54 games. MacKinnon played 40% of the year without Rantanen and like half of that without them both.

Sure he has plenty of help when they're in the line up but they weren't for like 40% of the year.

Why do people only hone in on line mates and ignore that Mckinnon has had highly productive high end offensive defensemen feeding him the puck his entire career? The oilers in the last 11 years have one D man break 40 points once. Teammates are more than just your line mates.