I'd say that Detroit has done 2,000,000 times better than us.
Why even bring up drafting pre 2008? It's pretty obvious our drafting sucked before that.
I'd say that Detroit has done 2,000,000 times better than us.
So is the sort of "point-ish" thing of this thread the Oilers are the Sucks because of bad late round draft picks?
Because unless they are All goalies, I fail to see that as the case.
Watch many Habs games? He isnt PKing and hes barely getting PP time, but he's over a point a game and a +5 while playing less than 12 minutes a night. He's a very good 5-on-5 player. The stats bear it, and if you have watched the Habs with regularity you'd know that he plays a good 200 ft game.
Not saying he is better than Yak, or that we should have drafted him (particularly given the small sample size of games in his draft year), just saying he'd make us a harder team to play against than Yak does at the moment.
Why even bring up drafting pre 2008? It's pretty obvious our drafting sucked before that.
Let me first say that I love RNH. He is the best player on the team now and will be gonig forward. That said, HALL-LANDESKOG-GALCHENYUK makes us look like a much harder team to play against than HALL-RNH-YAKUPOV.
As to the Eberle pick, I will, until my deathbed maintain that I am responsible for that pick. I saw Lowe and the rest of hockey ops on Laurier Ave here in Ottawa the night before the 2008 draft. They walked by me at a red light and I yelled, "You'd better ****ing take Eberle tomorrow". All me.
It's not about 1st rounders.
It's about getting something GOOD out of those mid rounds now and then.
Once in a while you can get away with your 1st rounder not turning out, but once in a while you need a 3rd-6th rounder to turn into a very important player too.
Yeah that Greg Chase guy is brutal right now.
14 pts in 9 games so far this year. Pencil him in to the line up next year and plan the parade!
Seriously?! I didnt like the draft strategy they took; I think they made some very questionable selections in the first 4 rounds. Too early to tell, but to imply that the draft is successful because a 7th rounder, who will likely never play an NHL game, has 14 pts in 9 games, seems much more outlandish than what I'm saying.
That's fine, and you're entitled to that thought, however YOU understand that doesn't mean all the picked players are awful or flawed, the Mass does not quiet as much. And yes, having a 7th Round pick massively out perform his draft position in junior should be seen a strong positive.
Lol seriously?
I'm not going to do a bunch of busy work for you because you don't want to look yourself...
Why don't YOU look yourself?
Go and find one other team with a worse record outside the 1st round then the Oilers the past 7 years.
Yes drafting is important. Nobody in hockey would deny that.
I'm saying that successful teams rely on drafting less. They arent "selling" the future every year to the fanbase. When the future has been thrown in your face for most of the last 20 years or so, i dont think its unreasonable to look at something so relevant and important as amateur scouting. Our expectations should be higher of our scouting group than Detroit of theirs.
Nobody should e getting a free pass right now on the team.
And no, im at work and not going to be looking at 29 other teams draft record. Feel free to do so yourself if its that important for you.
Regardless, I don't give a **** about having a similar record as Detroit Or any other team. It's a results driven business and the current team doesn't have the results.
This is just not true. The first round is far and away the most important round from a scouting perspective.
Is it a positive? Absolutely. Does it mean very much 9 games into the season? Not at all. Will it mean much at the end of the season if he continues at a similar pace? It will certainly be something to talk about and watch, but the chances of him being a player that makes a difference to this team are still slim.
There are some intriguing picks in that draft, no doubt. Round 3 just ruined it for me though.
Its known as credibility and proof. Instead of throwing crap on the wall and hoping your argument sticks.
If you have an argument, try bringing some substantive deduction or analysis like what Hockey Buddha did. If we can bring some actual intelligence to the discussion, then perhaps this board won't resemble a bunch of 16 year old teenagers crying and wailing, and more people might take your discussion seriously.
You can't even properly evaluate this Oilers team Right now because they don't even get basic goaltending.
Why?
It's not that important to me, but it is kind of central to your argument that the Oilers are somehow worse at drafting than anyone else.
If every other team is also not getting the results (and no one has shown me otherwise), that says something more about the system itself than any one group of scouts and management.
Take a look at the results so far. Read the posts in the thread. Many people are having a good debate. I think most are taking the discussion seriously. You seem to be the off person who has a problem with having a reasonable discussion.
My opinion is the drafting has been poor. If you don't like it, feel free to debate.
I could have added more but was on my way out the door. If you can't take a look yourself and see how bad it's been. Don't just hold it in guy, let us learn from you.
How is asking for proof unreasonable?
You are entitled to your opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts. Do you have a basis for your opinion or is it just a gut feeling?
Burden of proof here is on the person making the claim. Regardless, I've posted the odds of drafting an NHLer and a couple of examples of more successful teams with similar draft records to ours. It's not much, but it's more than you've brought to the table. How about this: name a team that's drafted better in the last five years and we'll go from there.
Here's something I will concede: the Oilers have had a very poor history with first round picks going back to the 80s. But that's ancient history and not germane to the discussion of the current regime's body of work. For the most part, it's simply too soon to tell with them.
I see the Detroit being outdated argument, but pick any other successful team and they seem to always find guys in the later round that can contribute at the NHL level.
lol Greg Chase also
Take a look at the results so far. Read the posts in the thread. Many people are having a good debate. I think most are taking the discussion seriously. You seem to be the off person who has a problem with having a reasonable discussion.
My opinion is the drafting has been poor. If you don't like it, feel free to debate.
I could have added more but was on my way out the door. If you can't take a look yourself and see how bad it's been. Don't just hold it in guy, let us learn from you.
Either way, the problem is "others" will use/confuse this fair assessment you're making from your perspective with an excuse to pointlessly and senselessly grind an axe again, which is so ****ing insufferable.
You can't even properly evaluate this Oilers team Right now because they don't even get basic goaltending.