Please don’t take this as me defending MacT. He needs firing along with the rest. However, I think
@bobbythebrain is reacting to the bull **** narrative (not your narrative I understand) that so many people are pushing on this board.
Unless I’m mistaken Chiarelli reported to Nicholson and Katz, not MacT. Unless I’m mistaken it was Chiarelli (and maybe his boss) whose signatures appear on the myriad brutal trades and signings, not MacT’s.
There are a bunch of disgruntled Chiarelli fans on this board (again, not you) who can’t stand the fact that they were horribly wrong about the man. They are embarrassed that they couldn’t read the writing on the wall after the Reinhart fiasco ... and then wanted Chiarelli to be given even
more chances after the Hall debacle.
I posted many times last season and during the off season about the number of free passes Chiarelli was being given by a significant portion of this fan base. Got mocked and confined to one thread for my trouble. Now these same fans want Nicholson retained to choose the new GM and are using double speak Stauffer as their source to blame everything on MacT .... and worse, pretending that they wanted Chiarelli fired all along. It’s disgusting.
I can see why
@bobbythebrain is getting a little heated about the topic.
I really appreciate this post and I see where you are coming from. I know that there have been some unreasonable positions taken up by posters the last couple of years.
As you stated I just dont think I represent that but yet the responses to my posts (and others) were such that we were being included as being unreasonable.
I just really want (like all of us in here) to see this organization succeed and for me the biggest issue is with Katz's meddling (which hopefully has ended) and his loyalty (should I say Loilty
) to friends like MacT. That second issue (MacT, Howsen et al) is the most obvious common denominator in terms of this team failing year after year after year.
So I took issue with
@bobbythebrain suggesting that anyone that thinks MacT et al has a say in hockey Ops decisions is a Conspiracy Theorist. Its a BS position to take IMO because its not supported by reality. Anybody in hockey Ops is obviously there because he has input into hockey Ops. It couldnt possibly be more obvious.
So the irony is very rich to throw that phrase around (at myself and others) and at the same time endorse a POV (someone can be in hockey ops but really has no input) that isnt supportable by anything based in reality.
So for me the biggest tell in terms of whether or not the Katz nonsense has ended is what the Managerial network looks like after the new GM is in place. As
@Austerlitz pointed out that will tell us all exactly how much autonomy the new GM has and as such it will also tell us if the organization is committed to winning as a priority or just continuing on with the Cronyism.
Lastly I took issue with the disingenuous way
@bobbythebrain dealt with the common sense approach around that perspective. It was as if he strongly suspected that MacT was still going to be fully entrenched in Hockey Ops once the new GM was in place and he was defending that position in advance.
So I have no issue at all personally with
@bobbythebrain...I just didnt appreciate his approach in trying to discredit posters (and not even dealing with the content of their post) just because they held an position that was in opposition to his.
I also want to address a specific part of your post (the bolded statement). The issue for me wasnt WHO Chia reported to. It was the how and whys around MacT surviving all the fired GM's and still having a voice in hockey Ops decisions.
Considering how incredibly bad this team has been the last 13 years (coincidentally enough the entire duration of Katz's ownership) why is MacT STILL a part of the Management structure?
How is this possible if Cronyism isnt the answer?
So I just dont see how anybody can defend MacT and at the same time criticize anyone that turns a skeptical eye at MacT and his role.