Your comparing one individual who has been in the league for 10+ years and another who has been in the league for 3 and doesn’t have the team around him to make a playoff push, something Crosby clearly has had.-Crosby is beating everyone in the league (for a career) by .2 except Malkin in the playoffs. That is a considerable gap in the playoffs. Mcdavid hasnt even done that in the regular season let alone the playoffs. You know how much Mcdavid beat MacKinnon by? .01 in the regular season this year. And all of a sudden he's going to beat Crosby and destroy everyone else in the playoffs? Please...
-As the saying goes, you are the champ until someone dethrones you. Crosby IS the best playoff performer over everyone in this league outside maybe, maybe, Malkin. Could Mcdavid do it? Maybe. He has a lot to prove when the real lights go on instead of racking up points when the Oilers are out of the playoffs by Christmas
That’s true! Lemieux didn’t see the playoffs for his first 4 years in the league. It wasn’t until ‘89 that he finally made a push. He then went another year with no post season.It’s comedical that people are using a 13 game sample size as their end all be all.
You’re making it sound like McDavid was pointless in those 13 games. Then again, you keep spouting this non sense over and over.
I also wonder, if you said the same thing for Mario Lemieux during his first few seasons. Somehow, I don’t think you did.
That’s true! Lemieux didn’t see the playoffs for his first 4 years in the league. It wasn’t until ‘89 that he finally made a push. He then went another year with no post season.
It wasn’t until Lemieux finally got some talent around him that they were finally able to make a run for the cup.
First player to win the Lindsay/Pearson twice before age of 22.
It is not Mcdavid’s fault that one is a complete bust, one is mediocre for being a 1st OV and the third one has been traded. It’s silly to use that argument against McDavid when only one of the three other #1 picks still plays on the team.Mcdavid had #1 picks to work with from the draft. The Penguins had high school talent.
That's ridiculous. You would've thought Orr Howe lemieux or 99 did itFirst player to win the Lindsay/Pearson twice before age of 22.
He should have a Hart this year as well. Would have had a Calder too if it weren't for injury.
the salary cap is why there isn't any weak teams like that any more. Plus the current Edmonton roster is atrocious either way. Lucic is the most overpaid player in the league and just blows. The only real support is rnh and drasaitl. Hopefully kflebom can bounce back. Nurse is just getting his game rounded out. Camalleri is way past his prime. Talbot played horrible as well. We'll see how good McDavid gets in his peak form-Completely different situations. The Penguins didnt win some lottery to improve the team. The Penguins were the worst team in the league in the 82 and 83 seasons. When you have a -150 goal differential, you know you suck beyond suck. Edmonton wasnt even the worst team in its own division, let a lone suck anywhere near as bad as Pittsburgh did before Lemieux. People want to say the Penguins tanked for Lemieux. Well, we must have tanked more then 1 year, because the Pens were so far at the bottom of the NHL for multiple years it was pathetic. The Penguins had 34 COMBINED wins in 2 seasons. That's 17 wins per year before Lemieux. Mcdavid had #1 picks to work with from the draft. The Penguins had high school talent.
My point was that I highly doubt people were saying Lemieux was a loser and not as great as he was because he wasn’t seeing the post season. My point still stands, he needed more star power, more of everything really to get a couple of cups. He didn’t do it alone.-Completely different situations. The Penguins didnt win some lottery to improve the team. The Penguins were the worst team in the league in the 82 and 83 seasons. When you have a -150 goal differential, you know you suck beyond suck. Edmonton wasnt even the worst team in its own division, let a lone suck anywhere near as bad as Pittsburgh did before Lemieux. People want to say the Penguins tanked for Lemieux. Well, we must have tanked more then 1 year, because the Pens were so far at the bottom of the NHL for multiple years it was pathetic. The Penguins had 34 COMBINED wins in 2 seasons. That's 17 wins per year before Lemieux. Mcdavid had #1 picks to work with from the draft. The Penguins had high school talent.
He was scoring at the same pace as he was last year while they were in the playoff hunt. Again it’s hypocritical to hold it against him that he happened to score more, because we all know everyone would have bombarded him with criticism if his scoring dropped AFTER they were out of the playoffs. It goes both ways.Winning the Art Ross by scoring a lot after your teams playoffs hopes are gone doesn't make you a MVP.
He was scoring at the same pace as he was last year while they were in the playoff hunt. Again it’s hypocritical to hold it against him that he happened to score more, because we all know everyone would have bombarded him with criticism if his scoring dropped AFTER they were out of the playoffs. It goes both ways.
It’s very faulty logic when you think about it. Every Hart Nominee was bounced out of the first round, so the idea is that you should have to make the playoffs to be the MVP, but is getting beaten in the first round really that much better? What’s also worth noting is that the PLAYERS even voted him the best player in the league.
It’s stupid to suggest that McDavid isn’t MVP material because his team wasn’t good enough to make it to the post season. That shouldn’t reflect on McDavid, who out played Hall, Mack, Kopitar, Giroux, and Malkin.
I think he was Hart material. Hall was deserving, I even had Kopitar winning it between the 3 finalists. All I’m saying is McDavids season was obviously unique, especially after winning the Lindsay. I think at least deserved to be a Finalists.If you don't get your team in the playoffs you shouldn't win the Hart that is how it should be. Voters obviously are effected by a player helping his team make the playoffs which is a good thing because it is a MVP award not the best player award. Hart doesn't care about what happens once your in the playoffs that is what the Conn Smythe is for. McDavid didn't deserve a MVP award this year when he wasn't valuable enough to get his team in the playoffs.
which is crazy. imagine if he had a real supporting cast and an average PP. dude would hit 130 points this year.McDavid during his Ted Lindsey speech last night: "To my teammates, i owe everything to you guys". He sure had alot of help last season.....
should be quite a few based on his career so far but whos to say another Mcdavid type doesnt come along.
Winning the Art Ross by scoring a lot after your teams playoffs hopes are gone doesn't make you a MVP.