What is going on with Rasmus Dahlin?

[Panda Bear]

Exactly what logical Sabres fans have been saying for a couple years. Reduce his minutes and he can play effective hockey. A kid trying to learn the NHL game and playing 30 minutes a night won’t look good. This year Krueger has reduced his toi and his play has been effective for the most part.

He was playing his best hockey when he came back from injury last year. This year he added 15 lbs and had no pre-season to get used to his new body. Let’s see where his game is at in games 12-15.

i'm more interested in games 50-56 assuming buffalo is in the playoff race

 

[nbwingsfan]

Thats not saying much

The hype is out of control based on what we are seeing on the ice.

Once again, how many D have put up 40+pts at 18 and then 50+pt (pace) at 19?

 

[Ippenator]

Seriously? How many examples do you need to show that +/- is almost entirely reliant on who you play for and who you play with/against?

The bigger the sample size the less those things are meaningful other than the real player impact. Those other things become more and more just noise, and the bigger the sample size the more meaning the plus minus has. And anyway even inside the games the only meaningful stat for the game results is the goals and the goal difference. They decide the winner of the game. It doesn’t matter in the end how those results were achieved, as the better team is ALWAYS the team that scores more goals in a game. A hockey game is after all a competition of which team scores more goals. How they score the goals is irrelevant as long as they score more of them than the opponent.

The more you have skill, the likelier you are to score - especially in the long run. Thus, the bigger the sample size of goals and goal difference, the more it tells of the real quality of the player. More than any other stat.

 

[nbwingsfan]

The bigger the sample size the less those things are meaningful other than the real player impact. Those other things become more and more just noise, and the bigger the sample size the more meaning the plus minus has. And anyway even inside the games the only meaningful stat for the game results is the goals and the goal difference. They decide the winner of the game. It doesn’t matter in the end how those results were achieved, as the better team is ALWAYS the team that scores more goals in a game. A hockey game is after all a competition of which team scores more goals. How they score the goals is irrelevant as long as they score more of them than the opponent.

The more you have skill, the likelier you are to score - especially in the long run. Thus, the bigger the sample size of goals and goal difference, the more it tells of the real quality of the player. More than any other stat.

So Shultz was the best D in the league defensively when he was on the Caps?

Tyler Seguin +37 better defensively than David Krejci in 2012?

Was Dylan Larkin one of the worst defensive forwards in the league last year or did he just play on a garbage team?

You do know that you can have a goal scored against you while you're on the ice and it be literally no fault of your own? That the reverse is also true?

That players who play on Detroit are going to have a much worse +/- than those on say Boston and it has nothing to do with their defensive ability, right?

Why do you think no one actually uses +/- to judge a player?

 

[Ippenator]

So Shultz was the best D in the league defensively when he was on the Caps?

Tyler Seguin +37 better defensively than David Krejci in 2012?

Was Dylan Larkin one of the worst defensive forwards in the league last year or did he just play on a garbage team?

You do know that you can have a goal scored against you while you're on the ice and it be literally no fault of your own? That the reverse is also true?

That players who play on Detroit are going to have a much worse +/- than those on say Boston and it has nothing to do with their defensive ability, right?

Why do you think no one actually uses +/- to judge a player?

Just read my previous post again. That’s my answer to you. No need to continue. We will not agree about anything.

 

[lawrence]

That's brilliant hahaha

hair flip at 18 seconds is gold.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

So Shultz was the best D in the league defensively when he was on the Caps?

Tyler Seguin +37 better defensively than David Krejci in 2012?

Was Dylan Larkin one of the worst defensive forwards in the league last year or did he just play on a garbage team?

You do know that you can have a goal scored against you while you're on the ice and it be literally no fault of your own? That the reverse is also true?

That players who play on Detroit are going to have a much worse +/- than those on say Boston and it has nothing to do with their defensive ability, right?

Why do you think no one actually uses +/- to judge a player?

The one caveat would be when compared to his own team. If everyone on a team is + or = and your -20, its a flag

 

[SI90]

He’s 20. As an 18 and 19 year old he put up 40+ points. Last year that was only in 59 games.

he’s less than 10 games into this strange season. He’ll be fine.

 

[Panthaz89]

Once again, how many D have put up 40+pts at 18 and then 50+pt (pace) at 19?

I guess some people were expecting a D-man that was able to just pop out and pop in and pump up more points than #1 centers.....also because the Sabres didn't make the playoffs last year doesn't mean Dahlin didn't have a really great sophomore season imo after a somewhat rough start on D but certainly wasn't having any problems piling on points which isn't really that big of an issue since most players tend to get much better on D as they age especially defenseman and centers.

 

[DobHoc]

You just deal him to Rangers...you get star D Jacob Trouba for him....straight up....no questions asked. You just give him to us...and you get the best D in the history of hockey....well, we pay him those money.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Just read my previous post again. That’s my answer to you. No need to continue. We will not agree about anything.

Again, has Dylan Larkin been one of the worat defensive forwards in the league over the last 3 seasons, or does he just play on a bad hockey team?

 

[Puckluck]

Maybe he is sharing the burden that previously was handled by Risto. Dahlin's numbers look bad, while Risto's look good. Risto used to be subject to similar threads.

 

[nbwingsfan]

The one caveat would be when compared to his own team. If everyone on a team is + or = and your -20, its a flag

Not really. Usage matters a whole lot here as well. Used mostly in offensive situations versus being tasked to shutdown the oppositions stars is going to make a huge difference.

Again Seguin being a +34 and Krejci being a -2 will lead to some hilarious conclusions.

Same with Ovi being +45 and Laich a +12

Lidstrom a -2 but Ericsson a +10

Etc.

 

[aufheben]

Once again, how many D have put up 40+pts at 18 and then 50+pt (pace) at 19?

This is crazy impressive either way, but it always makes me wonder how many 18-year-old defensemen have even played a full season in the NHL.

 

[aufheben]

Of course it does. At least if you understand anything about basic statistics, how they work in the long run and what essential things make teams still win hockey games. If you can’t understand these basic things and have been brainwashed by the fierce supporters of the worshipping of the so called advanced stats, then I guess no one can help you then.

I can’t believe there are people out there that still use plus/minus for anything. What’s it like 100 years old now?

 

[93LEAFS]

Not really. Usage matters a whole lot here as well. Used mostly in offensive situations versus being tasked to shutdown the oppositions stars is going to make a huge difference.

Again Seguin being a +34 and Krejci being a -2 will lead to some hilarious conclusions.

Same with Ovi being +45 and Laich a +12

Lidstrom a -2 but Ericsson a +10

Etc.

+/- doesn't matter because players don't have the same constant teammates over long-periods of time, required to create the sample size for it to matter. And, if they did, other statistics would likely prove it way beforehand.

 

[apadilla]

Will Rasmus be signing a new deal this coming off season for 5-6 M annually for 3 years?

 

[MarkusKetterer]

i'm more interested in games 50-56 assuming buffalo is in the playoff race

Us Sabres fans hope we’re in the playoff race then too. The best thing that could happen to this team is that they have to fight to make it.

Well technically the best thing is that they’re comfortably in the playoffs, but at least if they have to fight to make it they’ll know what playoff hockey would be like even if they don’t make it. It beats being out of it by January 29th.

 

[Fjordy]

All this +/- nonsense doesn't work at all. Dahlin struggled defensively and looked very tough literally in the first 3-4 games, after that he played better and better. He's definitely unlucky to only have one point in eight games and regularly create chances for teammates, but Buffalo has terrible in ES goals. Dahlin also shoots a lot at goal, of course he still needs to work on his shot. In the last game he was our best defender and he was very good in defense, he is progressing in this direction. Points will come anyway.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

im really surprised he's sucking so much ass. He's 20 already and people were dropping the "G" word about him when he was drafted and predicted him to be better than Makar, Heiskanen etc

 

[McTonyBrar]

He’s.... he’s in his 3rd year of play at the age of 20 years old having a bad start to the season after 2 great seasons playing on a horrible team... and HF is calling him a bust?

 

[TopChedder]

im really surprised he's sucking so much ass. He's 20 already and people were dropping the "G" word about him when he was drafted and predicted him to be better than Makar, Heiskanen etc

I think he will be fine but they never should have labeled him as a generational Dman.

I think he will be solid but people were hyping him as better than LITERALLY some of the greatest defenders to ever lace up skates.

 

[Atas2000]

im really surprised he's sucking so much ass. He's 20 already and people were dropping the "G" word about him when he was drafted and predicted him to be better than Makar, Heiskanen etc

Yeah, especially the comparison to Svechnikov now looks really bad. Carolina says thanks.

 

[lawrence]

and HF is calling him a bust?

yup.

They called Pettersson a bust too in the 1 point in 6 games thread. I'm not kidding.

Hfboards.com is known of going after a player for a small sample size.

I think he will turn it around very quickly. It's just a slow start. some players have hot starts, some have slower starts, things happen.

 

[SaltNPeca]

Trade 1:1 to Edmonton for Jesse Puljujärvi