What “Common Wisdom” Do You Doubt or Disagree With?
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I don't think people are saying they can't play defense, it's just that players like Carlson get overrated to death by their point totals.
Dicky113
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I think people exaggerate defensive deficiencies in players that are better at offense. An elite offensive D who is twice as good offensively as he is defensively is still average defensively. I was expecting Adam Fox to have to work on his defense based on scouting reports and he’s already the best defensive D we’ve had in a while.
It depends how you view the position. Is a defenders job to defend first or is their job simply to contribute to wins in any way?
That the most important aspect of the game is scoring, and that higher scoring player is always, or almost always better (even for defensemen)... Nope, it's not. Sure, you need to score more than the opponent to win the game, but 1-0 win is more desirable than 6-7 loss, even if in latter case you scored 6 times more...
Mc5RingsAndABeer
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"Get into the playoffs and anything can happen"
The Kings and Blues recently come to mind but those teams were built to go on cup runs. If a bad team sneaks into the playoffs they're not winning the cup.
The Kings and Blues recently come to mind but those teams were built to go on cup runs. If a bad team sneaks into the playoffs they're not winning the cup.
MrSnrub
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That it's way better to trade away all your good players and tank halfway through the year than push for the playoffs. A shiny new toy in the form of a high(ish) draft pick is clearly the answer to a team's problems, and if not, there's always next year's shiny first round draft pick.
The fact that centres are so much more valuable than wingers. You can have an impact defensively in any position, this isn’t lacrosse.
mr figgles
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Do they have to be? No, but you’re going to have a really hard time finding teams that won the cup without at least one high draft pick playing an important role.
Pandaman11
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That Wins are seen as the most important goalie stat. It's a team stat.
That often PIM are seen as a "good stat". They are in fantasy, but in real life you leave your team shorthanded.
That the Hart Trophy finalists are simply "let's see who scored the most points".
That often PIM are seen as a "good stat". They are in fantasy, but in real life you leave your team shorthanded.
That the Hart Trophy finalists are simply "let's see who scored the most points".
Oil Dood
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This. There are only a few awards I pay attention too, the Art Ross, Lindsay , Richard and of course the Stanley.
Have to disagree on this one. Some players are overcome by nerves in pressure situations. Other players thrive on it.
I agree with both.
I especially agree with #2, and I want to add to it. I strongly believe that SV% is just as much of a team stat as GAA. This whole idea that SV% is more reliable than GAA is FALSE.
Jonathan Quick was an elite goalie in this league for quite some time, but because his SV% looked "average" he never got the proper respect he deserves.
tarheelhockey
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Related: “You gotta lose before you can win”
I don’t see any reason this old narrative-builder would actually be true. MANY teams have lost but never found a way to win, and a bunch of winning teams didn’t actually go through any real learning-through-losing process on the way to the Cup. They were just better than the other teams at the time.
Even the teams who classically get this treatment (80s Oilers, 90s Wings, 00s Pens) didn’t need to lose anything. The Wings could very easily have won 5 Cups in a row, it didn’t benefit them at all to blow opportunities during that window.
tarheelhockey
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Also, even in the offensive zone — boardwork.
If the puck is coming around the boards, taking it on your backhand is a disadvantage on a couple of levels (first controlling it, and then doing something with it). If you’re engaged physically it’s even more difficult, because your only forehand play is to push it up to the point which is a dangerous move. More likely, you’re just stuck for options. Whereas if you’re on the forehand you can both control/win the puck and make a useful offensive play from that position.
Absolutely! I have no issue with someone trying to tell me that Roy and Hasek are above Brodeur on the all time list. Just don't use Hasek's Harts or Roy's Conn Smythes as the backbone of your argument because it's an extremely flawed method to try and validate your argument.
The rewards handed out by objective means such as the Art Ross and Rocket are worth more to me because they're definitive, and undisputable. Bobby Orr being the only d-man to lead the league in points is extremely powerful.
Agreed. However, there is a difference between Kucherov's Art Ross and Jamie Benn's Art Ross.
Also agreed. Andy Greene is still an effective player.
He never used the word "meaningless" in his post.
Also agreed. It does provide useful information. That's the whole point of stats in the first place.
Personally, I think the league should make it a rule that players without sticks are not allowed to hit anybody. By definition, this could be a form of interference.
Yep. SV% is just as much of a team stat as GAA. The whole idea that it tells us more about a goalie than GAA is false.
The vast majority of HF Boards posters who think they're smarter than GM's and coaches are most likely NOT.
Well yea if you took the Roman Empire army and used a time machine to bring them to the present and fight a war, they'll get slaughtered in a matter of days. If you took the fastest Model T car, and raced it against a Ford Focus from the 90's.....you catch my drift.
But if you reincarnated Bobby Orr, and allowed him to be brought up with modern technology and modern development techniques, then that's a different story.
I think goaltending is the most important position, yet it's also the easiest to replace. That's why I believe paying Bobrovsky $10m was a huge mistake by Florida.
So much this. Luck plays a far greater impact in winning a championship than people like to admit.
b in vancouver
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Most every team has had a bad year or two so there's a lot of high picks spread around but - how many players that were picked top 10 in the last dozen years have even played in The Finals?
Problem I see is that it's rarely worked. Teams that suck sell their fans this 'future' and for five years, climbing all the way to being a playoff bubble team of mediocrity. Chicago's was 15 years ago and since then, outside of Tampa, and I guess Colorado, no team has really been able to bottom out and then climb back up to be a consistent contender. Carolina, Florida, Toronto, Buffalo, Phoenix/Arizona, Atlanta/Winnipeg, Edmonton, The Isle and now we're seeing the same thing with Ottawa, Philly, NJ, Detroit, Montreal and even New York and how long that appears it's going to drag on for a few of them.
I also see a difference between a team having a bad year like LA with Doughty or Philly with JVR then these systemic rebuilds.
Hatfield
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Clean but heavy hits are a perfectly valid reason to drop the gloves.
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1. Playoff experience matters a lot IMO. The games get harder as the season/playoffs move along. Once players have overcome the fatigue and difficulty of the later rounds, the regular season and early rounds should become easier for them. That comes from increased confidence and experience.
2. Mostly agree on goalies. I think the elite type goalies make an impact but after that, it’s more about the team in front of them.
2. Mostly agree on goalies. I think the elite type goalies make an impact but after that, it’s more about the team in front of them.
