What “Common Wisdom” Do You Doubt or Disagree With?

[SladeWilson23]

And you’re moving the goalposts by stating things that were never said. He didn’t say it was weak. He literally called it invalid as in not even an argument aka useless or meaningless. You’re arguing semantics. If it’s not valid it’s not usable which makes it meaningless.

Problem is that there's a difference between "meaningless" and "invalid".

 

[FerrisRox]

When a player loses or breaks his stick in the defensive zone, he should stand around like a useless idiot rather than skating to the bench and changing with someone else or sprinting back with a new stick.

So you think it would be better for the player to skate out of the defensive zone leaving his team shorthanded? You think that's a *better* idea?

 

[JackSlater]

So you think it would be better for the player to skate out of the defensive zone leaving his team shorthanded? You think that's a *better* idea?

Obviously yes.

 

[Leafs87]

That the salary cap helps every team and makes it a fair playing ground

 

[FerrisRox]

That the salary cap helps every team and makes it a fair playing ground

How is not an even playing ground?

 

[Leafs87]

How is not an even playing ground?

Taxes. signing bonuses which most teams can’t afford. Those inflated never ending contracts which helped Chicago and LA. Arizona having Pronger, Hossa, Datsyuk on the cap when not playing.... Honestly lots of loopholes and examples all around. The marginal laughable increase in cap. Good portion of the teams can’t hit the cap other half have to give up good players because they can’t afford them. Like this isn’t the Yankees either. You have to start trading good players when you have a half stacked team with the rest being marginal AHLers

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

Taxes. signing bonuses which most teams can’t afford. Those inflated never ending contracts which helped Chicago and LA. Arizona having Pronger, Hossa, Datsyuk on the cap when not playing.... Honestly lots of loopholes and examples all around

The salary cap's expiry date was about 2013 tbh.

 

[Montreal Shadow]

Problem is that there's a difference between "meaningless" and "invalid".

Pray tell. In this context, what is the difference?

 

[vandymeer13]

Fighting is shrinking organically. No rules implemented in every league are what is making it shrink and p***yfying the game

 

[SK13]

Taxes. signing bonuses which most teams can’t afford. Those inflated never ending contracts which helped Chicago and LA. Arizona having Pronger, Hossa, Datsyuk on the cap when not playing.... Honestly lots of loopholes and examples all around. The marginal laughable increase in cap. Good portion of the teams can’t hit the cap other half have to give up good players because they can’t afford them. Like this isn’t the Yankees either. You have to start trading good players when you have a half stacked team with the rest being marginal AHLers

Clearly.

No team takes more advantage of this than the Leafs, but they still aren't enjoying the same competitive financial advantage they WOULD have in a non-cap environment.

 

[vandymeer13]

Yeah it’s more of a sparring match now than anything

Because they got rid of most players that knew how to throw down for useless guys like Matthew highmore Brendan perlini tobias reider

 

[vandymeer13]

The game has lost it's passion and soul with the removing of fights and hitting.

It really has

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

That McDavid is the best and that’s all there is to it- Drai can be better for a week, a month. If someone wants to argue Kuch was better last season- sure, they have a case. We debate/argue unwinnable concerns on here in general, but the one where an active player is either the greatest or isn’t- there are so many factors at play, so many different time frames you could look at- any sweeping superlatives are just simplifying it all a bit too much.

 

[Tofveve]

Pulling goalies earlier and earlier is better.

Depends how many goals you are down and the importance (ie. stanley cup game etc), but it should generally be no more than 2.50 to 3 minutes for being 2 goals down. For being 1 goal down, 1.5 to 2 min max.

A team should be determined to beat the other team 5 on 5 first. Pulling the goalie should be a last resort. Seeing it happen at 4, 5 and 6 minutes left even if down by two is just nuts and a new phenomenon of the last 5 to 10 years.

 

[wasunder]

"Just get in the playoffs and anything can happen" Maybe it's only because I'm a Calgary fan and this has been our attitude for as long as I can remember, but teams seem to believe that you make the playoffs and then you hopefully get hot at the right time and you can win the cup. Each year 16 teams make the playoffs, but I give less than half of that a realistic chance at winning the cup.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Clearly.

No team takes more advantage of this than the Leafs, but they still aren't enjoying the same competitive financial advantage they WOULD have in a non-cap environment.

Right now Arizona has both Marian Hossa (Who never played for them) and Jason Demers on LTIR until their contracts are up after the 2021 season.

Toronto only has David Clarkson and Nathan Horton on LTIR for this season since their contracts expire at the end of this year among players they traded to do that, although at least with Clarkson his current contract was originally signed by the Leafs.

 

[RosstheBoss]

Pulling goalies earlier and earlier is better.

Depends how many goals you are down and the importance (ie. stanley cup game etc), but it should generally be no more than 2.50 to 3 minutes for being 2 goals down. For being 1 goal down, 1.5 to 2 min max.

A team should be determined to beat the other team 5 on 5 first. Pulling the goalie should be a last resort. Seeing it happen at 4, 5 and 6 minutes left even if down by two is just nuts and a new phenomenon of the last 5 to 10 years.

I think it's more of a "what does the situation call for". If you are down 3, then going down 4 isn't a huge difference, but getting it to -2 is. I might be more inclined to pull my goalie with a few minutes left rather than a few seconds in that case.

Also remember, getting scored on in an empty net can be an emotional blow. It doesn't end your chances, but it certainly deflates the team

 

[aufheben]

Pulling goalies earlier and earlier is better.

Depends how many goals you are down and the importance (ie. stanley cup game etc), but it should generally be no more than 2.50 to 3 minutes for being 2 goals down. For being 1 goal down, 1.5 to 2 min max.

A team should be determined to beat the other team 5 on 5 first. Pulling the goalie should be a last resort. Seeing it happen at 4, 5 and 6 minutes left even if down by two is just nuts and a new phenomenon of the last 5 to 10 years.

It is. Coaches don’t pull them earlier because it’s a more embarrassing way to lose.

 

[x Tame Impala]

"Just get in the playoffs and anything can happen" Maybe it's only because I'm a Calgary fan and this has been our attitude for as long as I can remember, but teams seem to believe that you make the playoffs and then you hopefully get hot at the right time and you can win the cup. Each year 16 teams make the playoffs, but I give less than half of that a realistic chance at winning the cup.

I've made a thread or two about this. Totally agree. Since the 07/08 Wings Cup (I'm a Hawks fan so I used the Toews and Kane era as my starting point) only one time has there been a 7/8 seed, a wildcard seed in today's format, win the Cup and only two times including the 2012 Kings has a wildcard seed made the Cup Finals. The #8 seed Kings and #7 Flyers are, I believe, the only two teams to have made it to the Finals.

"Anything can happen!" is a statistical lie.

 

[Cheddabombs]

The AHL isn't some magical development league that all younger players struggling in the NHL should play in.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Taxes. signing bonuses which most teams can’t afford. Those inflated never ending contracts which helped Chicago and LA. Arizona having Pronger, Hossa, Datsyuk on the cap when not playing.... Honestly lots of loopholes and examples all around. The marginal laughable increase in cap. Good portion of the teams can’t hit the cap other half have to give up good players because they can’t afford them. Like this isn’t the Yankees either. You have to start trading good players when you have a half stacked team with the rest being marginal AHLers

If it wasn't essentially just Leaf fans saying this you may have some more validity to your argument. But this was debated all summer long. The "unfairness" of tax rates and the salary cap in general is completely overblown and would be getting nowhere near the attention it got if the Leafs didn't allocate a disproportionate amount of cap space to their top 6 forwards.

 

[Tofveve]

The AHL isn't some magical development league that all younger players struggling in the NHL should play in.

Similar to this, I don't think players need to spend 2, 3, 4 and 5 years in the AHL "developing." IMO it actually ruins some careers. Some lose that elite drive and belief themselves and their skills. It works for some, but others would benefit from hitting the big league sooner.

 

[LeafsNation75]

If it wasn't essentially just Leaf fans saying this you may have some more validity to your argument. But this was debated all summer long. The "unfairness" of tax rates and the salary cap in general is completely overblown and would be getting nowhere near the attention it got if the Leafs didn't allocate a disproportionate amount of cap space to their top 6 forwards.

So how come when Steve Yzerman was the Lightning GM and they meet with John Tavares about signing with them, he used their no state tax advantage as to why he should choose them.

 

[x Tame Impala]

So how come when Steve Yzerman was the Lightning GM and they meet with John Tavares about signing with them, he used their no state tax advantage as to why he should choose them.

Because it's a superficial lie and someone (both player and agent) would have to be very dumb to use that as a major reason for signing/not signing in Tampa. Obviously your point is bad for the simple fact that Tavares didn't sign in Tampa but took "less money" and signed in Toronto regardless of the taxes.

There's actually a longer, more intelligent, rebuttal to your question but you can go re-read the old discussions on it as I don't want to go through it for the 50th time

 

[Ratatoskr]

I've made a thread or two about this. Totally agree. Since the 07/08 Wings Cup (I'm a Hawks fan so I used the Toews and Kane era as my starting point) only one time has there been a 7/8 seed, a wildcard seed in today's format, win the Cup and only two times including the 2012 Kings has a wildcard seed made the Cup Finals. The #8 seed Kings and #7 Flyers are, I believe, the only two teams to have made it to the Finals.

"Anything can happen!" is a statistical lie.

Wait a moment - did you just say it's a "statistical lie" to say a thing can happen, because that thing actually happened only once in a sample size of 12 instances? It seems to me that you inadvertently proved that anything can indeed happen. Because it did.