What “Common Wisdom” Do You Doubt or Disagree With?

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  1. Goose

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    Couple of mine are:

    1. I’m not sure playoff or cup championship experience matters in the NHL. I believe it matters in individual sports like Golf or Tennis, but I don’t think it matters much, if at all, in the NHL. Or, put another way, I think in some cases it may hurt where in other situations it may help. I don’t care how many players I have on my team with cup experience or championships. (I think it matters for coaching a bit maybe but not for players).

    2. I don’t think there’s much difference between the Top 15 Goalies in the league at any given moment. Maybe it’s even Top 20. Too hard to compare goalies across different teams with different systems and as long as you’ve got a got a halfway decent goalie I think it’s enough for a shot at a run.
     
  2. EdJovanovski

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    “Defense wins championships”
     
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    Lmao I was literally going to post this.

    • Face-offs are super-important.
     
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    Trophies won such as stanley cup, art ross, rocket etc... are not valid arguments for why one player is better than another.
     
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    This is literally an award of who scores the most goals and points. I'd say that is the most valid argument.

    I agree with Stanley Cups. That is a team effort.
     
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    That defensive defensemen that don’t drive Corsi suck.
     
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    This so much. People act like a 48% faceoff guy is a problem but 52% is fantastic.
     
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    100%, I've always thought defensive dmen just enable forwards but if the forwards they play with aren't doing their job....
     
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    The hell lol? So being the best goal scorer or most productive player is meaningless?
     
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    Any end of season award voted on by the writers' association.
     
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    I dunno.... If I was trying to explain why Jamie Benn had a better career so far than James Van Riemsdyk, I'd almost certainly mention the Art Ross.

    Though, to be honest, I don't know why I should have to explain such a thing.
     
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    Common Wisdom: Plus-Minus is a garbage stat, and should never be used.

    Me: It does provide some context when comparing players on the same team over a large sample size.
     
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    When a player loses or breaks his stick in the defensive zone, he should stand around like a useless idiot rather than skating to the bench and changing with someone else or sprinting back with a new stick.
     
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    ... or switch to linebacker mode.
     
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    that the player with the most bointz is the best
     
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    That the more points you score as a Dman, the better you are.
     
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    That points determines a player's value.
     
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    The words common wisdom.
     
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    Save % is a true measure of a goalie's value.
     
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    That being tough means fighting and making big hits.
     
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    Not really when ice time and opportunity can vary greatly between teams. PP time given to a player is also a team characteristic and not a player characteristic, and players score buckets more on PP.
     
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    it is when PP opportunity time is mostly a team stat.
     
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    By bringing up art ross your are not providing a convincing argument. There are much more valid normalised stat-based indicators such as his 5v5 g/60 or his 5v5 p1/60 or his PP g/60 or his PP p1/60 or all 4 as a demonstration of his body of work. I bet the year he won the art ross he probably wasn’t the most effective offensive player that year when on the ice.
     
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    Ok man, you take the guy playing 15 minutes a game who has really impressive primary points per 60 numbers at 5 on 5, I'll take the guy that has the most points in the league. Deal?
     
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    Thank. You.

    Worse than useless - throws off the other defenders who could go into a PK box or diamond formation. 4V5 can kill most 2 minute penalties, they can cover for the 5 seconds it takes to get a stick/replacement.
     
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