OT: Washington Football Team: 2021 Training Camp and Preseason

[AlexBrovechkin8]

How’d our boy Dwayne do?

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

 

[g00n]

How’d our boy Dwayne do?

Last I saw something like 1 for 3, 9yds passing and 2 rushes for 4yds

So killing it

 

[Eirikrautha]

How’d our boy Dwayne do?

Just missed a wide open swing pass on 2nd and goal. DH is still garbage...

 

[Eirikrautha]

It changed after the main sponsors and stakeholders said to change it or they were pulling, I personally don’t think it gets changed if it wasn’t for everything going on last summer with all the protests. But you could be right I suppose

Don't forget, the threat to pull one of the sponsorships came from a minority owner, who just happened to be trying to force Dan to let him sell his (and other partners') stake without invoking Dan's right of first sale. There was a lot going on behind the scenes. The name change was just a skirmish in a much larger battle.

 

[Cush]

 

[max21]

Don't forget, the threat to pull one of the sponsorships came from a minority owner, who just happened to be trying to force Dan to let him sell his (and other partners') stake without invoking Dan's right of first sale. There was a lot going on behind the scenes. The name change was just a skirmish in a much larger battle.

Sure but you think Dan changes the name after a sex scandal? I don’t. Once the big sponsors threatened to pull their money he didn’t have a choice after that. We’re still called the Redskins if the Floyd protests never happened (which is fine, it is what it is)

 

[Eirikrautha]

Sure but you think Dan changes the name after a sex scandal? I don’t. Once the big sponsors threatened to pull their money he didn’t have a choice after that. We’re still called the Redskins if the Floyd protests never happened (which is fine, it is what it is)

Oh, I agree. I think the scandal was also a purposeful tactic in the same battle. The behavior had occurred for years, with no one the wiser. It wasn't coincidence that it came to light right when the minority owners wanted out...

 

[g00n]

It's not likely there was a conspiracy of sexual assault accusers working with the WaPo reporters to help minority owners, so that investigation had to be ongoing, long, and independent. Nor is it likely the minority owners wanted out of a valuable enterprise just because Snyder's a jerk, or just because of a little bad publicity over the name in the offseason because they'd been through many rounds of that.

Sponsors had also held on for years even through lawsuits. IIRC there was little pressure on Snyder to change the name until maybe right before the sponsor announcement, if that. So something else was going on behind the scenes and it appears it was the WaPo article.

What probably happened is the minority owners knew about the culture and found out former employees were talking to the press. Snyder had to know, too, well before BLM. This probably caused internal divisions to become magnified and there was fear the owners would lose value or even face criminal indictments.

Let's say Snyder starts looking around for ways to make it all go away including buying out the minority owners, who by now are pressuring Snyder and attacking him via the media and courts. Name change options are considered but not settled on as a possible negotiation piece. The minority owners know this is going to blow up in Snyder's face so they perceive leverage and press the advantage.

Then Floyd happens and the heat is really on. Snyder's team find out the WaPo story is about to break, and it's a poorly kept secret so in early July 2020 the sponsors use the chance to pounce. This further weakens Snyder's position with the minority owners, who are now also facing lost value they might pin on him, and he seems f***ed.

WaPo editors see this and begin planning a launch date for their report. Snyder is tipped off. He's got to do something before the NFL takes drastic action against him. Snyder's team announces a "review" of the name on July 3rd.

Then Snyder starts firing people implicated by the WaPo article just days before the article release, showing he was fully aware of the article and many of the details. This strongly suggests a leak which supports the tip-off theory. The next day the name change is announced.

A few days later the WaPo story breaks and people are still calling for Snyder to be thrown out of the league. His name change gambit seems to have failed, as the public and media perceive weakness in his defenses rather than "reform".

Over the next week, to reclaim momentum and provide distraction, Snyder's team quickly scrambles through their name change options and uniform logistics from previous sessions. They cobble together the basic WFT outfit and logos. By capitulating they're essentially begging the NFL for mercy in any ruling due to the fallout from the WaPo article, while also avoiding further mascot controversy in case there are ownership negotiations.

A year later the NFL lets Snyder off the hook in exchange for Snyder doing his performative mea culpa by "stepping down" behind his puppet administrators, including his wife.


IMO this is probably close to how it happened. The main questions in my mind are whether there was an implicit or explicit deal between Snyder and the NFL, and whether that was struck before the name change announcement or afterward. IOW did he just thrown himself at the mercy of the court or was there some quid pro quo....

 

[Ridley Simon]

Huh. Imagine that.

yet we totally screwed up not resigning him for 28m a year.

say goodbye to Jon Allen, Daron Payne, or Montes Sweat if had kept him

dude is a turd. Plain and simple

 

[max21]

Dwayne made a few nice throws

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Huh. Imagine that.

yet we totally screwed up not resigning him for 28m a year.

say goodbye to Jon Allen, Daron Payne, or Montes Sweat if had kept him

dude is a turd. Plain and simple

we screwed up resigning him well before that price….

they can have Cousins AND Sweat!

 

[AlexBrovechkin8]

Washington comes in at #2 behind Miami and ahead of the Chargers.

Ranking all 32 NFL teams by their under-25 talent

2. Washington Football Team
2020 ranking: 12
Blue-chip players: ER Chase Young, ER Montez Sweat, SS Kamren Curl, DT Daron Payne, LB Jamin Davis
Notable graduated players: WR Terry McLaurin, LB Cole Holcomb
Washington's young talent is almost all about the defense, which makes sense since Washington finished third in defensive DVOA last season after one of the 10 biggest year-to-year improvements on that side of the ball in our entire database (since 1983).
Tim Settle, is also just 24.
Of course, all three of these starting linemen were first-round picks, so we expected them to be good. The same goes for this year's first-round selection, the raw but athletic linebacker Jamin Davis. Washington is also getting defensive value from later-round selections. Kamren Curl was a seventh-round pick in 2020 but started 11 games at safety and led the team in run stops. He made his average run tackle after just a 4.1-yard gain, phenomenal even for a box safety. He is still just 22. On the other side of the ball, the young talent is highlighted by running back Antonio Gibson, who finished sixth in rushing DVOA as a rookie and takes over the starting job full time this season at age 23.

 

[Ridley Simon]

we screwed up resigning him well before that price….

they can have Cousins AND Sweat!

Nope. Because that 16m a year offer was 6 years ago. We’d either have already moved on (which means a whole lot of things), or would be paying him the 30+m plus whatever he’s getting now.

NO way we have Captain Kirk here, right now, at 15-18m. NONE!!!!!

 

[kicksavedave]

Washington comes in at #2 behind Miami and ahead of the Chargers.

Ranking all 32 NFL teams by their under-25 talent

So ~30 years of rebuilding, they may have got it right this time? Hooray for Ron!

I'd trade a blue chip Kameron Curl for a QB of the future though before I call any rebuild complete.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Nope. Because that 16m a year offer was 6 years ago. We’d either have already moved on (which means a whole lot of things), or would be paying him the 30+m plus whatever he’s getting now.

NO way we have Captain Kirk here, right now, at 15-18m. NONE!!!!!

now, no, but there’s was a time it very much made sense….long ago now.

 

[John Price]

Chase here

 

[Random schmoe]

Anyone who doesn't think the team name and logo need changing think the below is still OK?

Times change. And we still have Bugs Bunny in this new "bolshevik", humorless society.

Spoiler: Very Offensive

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

now, no, but there’s was a time it very much made sense….long ago now.

He wanted 20 mil a year after the 2015 season. That should be common knowledge on here by now. Anyway, we are on QB number 6 since Cousins left 4 years ago? Or is it 7? It’s hard to keep track.

The real absurdity in the Cousins era is letting him walk for a 3rd. Absolute joke.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Kick Kirk out of the league. F that guy.

 

[Ridley Simon]

He wanted 20 mil a year after the 2015 season. That should be common knowledge on here by now. Anyway, we are on QB number 6 since Cousins left 4 years ago? Or is it 7? It’s hard to keep track.

The real absurdity in the Cousins era is letting him walk for a 3rd. Absolute joke.

Regardless. He’s not a winner and being hamstrung to him at any of these large numbers wood have meant a totally different team around him. Plus the leaders then may still be here.

Would they have won anything with him? Minnesota had a far better team around— how have they done?

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

There was a time and a place where he made sense at a reasonable price Rids. You need to let it go and accept that, regardless of how much you dislike Cousins.

They would have been at least a playoff team with him at the helm. Beyond that I doubt they win much. Certainly better than the last 30 years, but whatever, it’s done, I’m happy he’s not here now.

Worst part is they still don’t even have the guy that can lead them to a Championship on the roster developing…..it is what it is. We’ll just continue to chase that elusive QB because we have no other choice.

Should still be a fun year.

 

[Ridley Simon]

It’s not about disliking him. It’s about recognizing value.

To each their own here, but time has proven it was the correct decision to move on. That’s all.

Anyone can claim otherwise - but not with a straight face.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Correct is a bassakwards way to look at it….they completely mismanaged getting his cheap years out of him and trading him when they could have….

But yes…eventually it made sense for him to not be here and that’s where we’ve been for about 3 years lol….

 

[CaptainAmerica]

This is what I think about when I hear Kirk Cousins’ name... what a doofus.